Yup...I remember when I would think nothing of driving 2 hours to a MATCH. Come to think of it, those were more OB matches than breed matches... But by now I have a better idea where and when to show a breed dog. If it's an unknown (to me) judge, I'll give them a shot. It's not JUST learning what "type" a particular judge likes, although that's part of it, it's not ONLY having a dog in top condition and beautifully groomed, although that's naturally part of it, it's not ENOUGH to have a deserving dog (but without that stay home IMO, in fact without that, if you are serious about wanting any kind of success in the breed ring don't even bother growing them out, put them in a wonderful companion home), but if/when a judge looks more at the top end of the leash or at who is on the outside of the ring more than what is on the inside, that's their one and only shot. That's not just AB shows BTW. So, when I was a newbie, I didn't notice. The day was nice, the scenery beautiful, I'd wonder why we didn't do better then go to lunch w/ friends. But then I started paying attention...to likes/dislikes (my dogs are/were always in good condition) and to those occasions when something wasn't quite "right". And I started stacking the deck in my favor. I don't think that's sour grapes. Anyone that knows me knows I ALWAYS congratulate the winners. If it's a good dog, the congrats are heartfelt and I'm grabbing a catalog to see what "clicked". I am also my dog's/handler's harshest critic too. (Even when we win! and there are a handful of handlers that will back that up, they've come out w/ points and waiting for a pic I've said "that down and back was atrocious!!!" or "not your best look!!") And for the relatively small the number of dogs shown out of here I finish my share. These days I usually finish them "smarter". I just try to keep them out of "trouble" along the way. And I don't think I'm alone in this...which doesn't help entries. Truthfully, I MISS the days when I didn't even bother to look and see who was judging. When I get in that mood, I go back to performance. Certainly there's judge shopping there too but at least there is the bond that forms during training. In closing, I think the location hurt this years National's #s more than anything. The Specials # looks respectable. As far as dragging a bunch of youngsters to Utah and dealing w/ transportation issues...for what????? Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 9/25/2010 7:35:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dan-ann@xxxxxxxx writes: I remember back in the day....a friend of mine and I would take my first show dog to any shows we could make, and it was at least once a month if not twice - it was such a fun time - now things are so different! Picking and choosing used to not even be something we'd consider - we just went because it was fun and we loved going - now I won't be going to even some of the closer shows because the judges aren't good, and I just can't afford that any ++++++++++++++++++++++ Gail You have just expressed my feelings totally - The breed I love I can no longer afford any more. I am now doing with my corgi what we use to do with shepherds. Going to show for fun and if we win(and we do) it is icing on the cake Sally www.embroiderybysally.org ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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