In a message dated 12/24/2005 9:27:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CORGIPERSON@xxxxxxx writes: I agree with Sherry, I have lived outside the city since I started in dogs many years ago. As to the question about space for individual dogs, the USDA does have a formula for that. I am sorry but I do not think that just because I love my dogs and want to breed, train and show them my neighbors should have to live with it. That is why my neighbor who likes to hunt lives out here. He can target practice and not worry about complaints. If you want to have animals you need to live out in the country with land for them to live on. That is just my opinion. Lucy Thunder Road Not just your opinion Lucy, just plain common sense, respect and courtesy to the neighbors and care and concern for the welfare of the dogs. 2 people (with outside jobs) an hour a day to "care for" the dogs? Feed, scoop, hose down, scrub buckets and food bowls??? It would take 2 people more than that amount of time to do ears, nails, teeth on a regular basis for 32+ dogs...and that's adults, I'm sure there were litters. No one has mentioned grooming. It can take an hour to groom ONE sheltie! For years I used to close my eyes and ignore such nonsense; now with legislation at every turn because folks just can't exercise basic common sense....well, something has to be said. It's cases like the above that force legislation. And "quality time"???? Give me a break. Letting them out a few at a time in a play yard for an hour or so or (goodness!) having them come in the house and lay around for a few hours while you do something else...quality time???? FOR 32+????? I'm sorry Ginger, but since you brought it up, will all due respect, (have I put enough qualifiers in there? <G>), my definition of quality and yours are MILES apart. (I'm not suggesting legislating "quality; that would be impossible to do, just responding to something previously expressed.) One of the hardest things in dogs is NOT becoming over-dogged. I'm with Sherry. I moved to a more rural area and made a show place for the dogs. STILL, I keep the numbers down because I DO things with them, not just warehouse them. (I want a few good ones, not a few dozen I'm not doing anything with! They'd be better of being placed and being the center of a family's world...or am I the only one who thinks that way????) And...while not everyone has the time (and money!) or inclination to do things the way I want things done for my dogs, 32+ dogs on 3/4 of an acre in a city is nonsense and defending it is just more nonsense. Have a nice Christmas all...off to enjoy my family WITH a dog freshly bathed and groomed for the holidays. I know handfuls of hair will be yanked out and will end up all over my 19 month old nephew and I want it at least to be scrupulously clean hair! (I spent more than a hour yesterday bathing/grooming 2 dogs, lol!) Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================