In a message dated 11/19/2007 10:02:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx writes: In the original email on Congo, Zoe was clear that 1) the gardner, while illegal and not English speaking was spoken to by the owner in Spanish, there was no misunderstanding. and 2) the gardner climbed over the fence, not through a gate, to 'start work' and that he was confronted by the puppies whom he started beating with a rake. This drew the wife's and sire's attention to the outside and where the comotion was. That's not even close. It has been in all of our local papers and there are at least 4 versions by now. The most popular is that there was a language barrier AND the gate was open AND the wife and possibly one puppy were outside of the "traditionally fenced" area. (Guess that electric part didn't work so well, huh?) Here, from the Trentonian: "James has taken great pains to point out that, even though the gate to his fenced-in yard has been left open in the past, the dogs have been trained not to leave the property. Kathy here...yeah right...puppies? Must be some KIND of dog trainer....continuing from the Trentonian: He said they also have electronic sensors that shock them when they approach an invisible fence along the propertyâ??s perimeter. Kathy here...how's THAT working for you?...continuing.... However, Elizabeth James had that morning been out searching for one of the puppies, which had strayed into that territory between the conventional and invisible fences, James has acknowledged. Kathy here...didn't see THAT coming...continuing... The workers, all agree, got out of their car upon seeing Elizabethâ??s vehicle, and the dogs, which had been feeding in a rear yard, came around to investigate. About here, the two sides of the story diverge." ****************************************************************************** ******************** So, a puppy got out, the lady was searching the neighborhood for it, the "traditional" gate was open, yada yada. My point was, to avoid anyone being able to open your gate put latches on the insides of your gates. It doesn't exactly parallel the above, in which the traditionally fenced area was by all accounts, open, there was an electric fence which was ineffective (duh!), but for anyone who wants to be cautious, latches are a good idea. Congo's story was complicated because a gate was open which I'm betting (and it's a pretty good bet) is why there was liability. (BTW, I have fences that can't be "climbed" without a ladder.) If the party in question had effective fencing this never would have happened. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================