Yes, and add to the list Ray Smith. Also, Helen Miller Fisher told the handlers to walk halfway then let them out. Gait is any movement, walk, trot, gallop, pace, etc., and yes, any fault of gait is a serious fault. Therefore, why would a fault seen at a walk not be considered a fault? Granted, rear extension cannot be seen at a walk, but front reach can. False reach cannot be covered up because you can see exactly where the foot contacts the ground. One pass at a walk can show many faults that break-neck speed will covcer up. I am not advocating that the GSD be judged at a walk, but it's not a bad idea to look at them briefly at that gait after they have gone around a couple of times to take the edge off. If you are fortunate enough to have the 1997 video, watch Boss, a prime example of correct reach, extension, fewer steps taken, etc. without running at breakneck speed. And what's this about being trained to go out to the end of the lead ? Cannot they be trained for just about anything? I'd hate to see a seeing eye dog who could not walk, or a mine detection dog, or a search and rescue dog, nor do I want my dog to drag me down the sidewalk when I take him out on leash. I'll judge them at the trot, but there's nothing wrong with a closer look at some point. Carolyn Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Walking is an invaluable tool to see things like weak or rolling backs, bad loin/croup, lack of rear drive, lack of work ethic and even temperament. Ever try to get a spook to walk around a ring calmly enough to be seen? lol. Walking is wonderful, if done after a bit of gaiting to take the edge off....that way the dogs are more settled and easier to see. Kathy Tank ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================