When my Liddy got a BOB in a local very small all breed, I hoped she would get a second look. Young, out of condition sort of, but as Peggy says, good side gait. That group judge did not bother with the GSD, and likely never does. But I don't remember the name. I was just thrilled to have my Liddy in group. I had hoped it was the first of many. But life does what it does. I will enjoy being at shows and running shows, and that will have to be enough. sheila Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I guess (and hope) that Dave F. was kidding...but I suspect Sheila isn't. So, a couple of comments here... Altho we all go to shows to win, that isn't why you should ALWAYS stay for the group. Even more so, if your dog is a specialty style dog...you stay for the group so people can see a good one. Some .years ago, at a local all breed indoor show I gave the breed to a bitch with a local handler who is still a familiar handler at specialties. She stayed for the group...and although I didn't really plan on using the bitch in the group, (it was a very strong group), I did ask her to take the bitch around a second time. (Yes, this was an indoor show...) I overheard someone near the entrance to the group ring ask "why is she sending that German Shepherd around again?" and then I heard the answer...in stereo, no less. one voice belonged to a well-known sporting dog judge who did eventually judge Shepherds, too, and the other voice belonged to Annie Clark....and they responded, together as if it had been planned, "she is trying to show people what beautiful Shepherd sidegait is." The bitch was a teeny bit out of condition, and I think she did get some specialty wins altho I'm not sure she ever finished...she was really a bitch meant to stay indoors...the big outdoor ring was a mite much for her front, as I recall.......... but the point is, you never know who is watching you in the group... and you should always stay. Peggy > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================