> I guess (and hope) that Dave F. was kidding...but I suspect > Sheila > isn't. So, a couple of comments here... Today Ricky, Barbara Ross' dog beat us again, so they had to stay for group again. And yes, when it comes to winning, any back handed remark I make about loosing is in jest.... I go to win! I do not get upset however when a good friend with a good dog wins. Bill & Barbara & Jamie are some of the first friends we made in dogs and we have a great time together. Please ask Jamie about gambling at the Atlantis and getting caught.... Anyway, we have not been to many all breed shows in the past several years. That is not because we do not like the crowd, but because we have not had a dog that excelled in that arena. Some years ago, our CH. Quake was doing great in that ring. He did 12 (I think it was) straight BOB's and placed a couple of times in group, but never won the group. And, yes, we did stay for group. And, yes, at times it was a pain when we were driving 6 to 10 hours to get home afterwards to go to work on Monday. OK, well, once, in Bakersfield we did not stay - because our handler did not stay and the judge doing group dumped our boy the day before, and it was 8 hours home. That may have been the only time. So, yes, I believe in staying, but since I did miss one, I can't be critical or those who don't. Although being critical must be a lot of fun, so many people do it. I will try to do better and learn how and study it really well, and possibly I can give a seminar back to back with Dave Rinke's seminar. Just think of the possibilities: Two Dave's in one day, one telling you how to build a better dog and the other telling you how to tare them apart! Maybe it won't work! <G> Dave ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================