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- Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 05:27:26 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: showgsd-l Digest V5 #25
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Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 8:11 AM
showgsd-l Digest Mon, 03 Jan 2011 Volume: 05 Issue: 025
In This Issue:
#1: From: VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx
Subject: Sam Lawrence
#2: From: Penny & Bill <ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Sam Lawrence
#3: From: VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx
Subject: Sam Lawrence
#4: From: Cynthia Van Den Berge <vande001@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Sam Lawrence
#5: From: "myjoygs@xxxxxxx" <myjoygs@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Pick your poison
#6: From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Chest, depth, gut & root...<G>
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Msg: #1 in digest
From: VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:50:20 EST
Subject: Sam Lawrence
Got this message from both Marion,Sam's wife, and Kathy Steen on Sunday,
Helen Miller Fisher
Helen- I wanted you to know Sam passed away this afternoon. You may pass
this on to anyone you think knew him.
Thanks and Happy New Year Marion
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Msg: #2 in digest
From: Penny & Bill <ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Sam Lawrence
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 07:03:52 -0500
The fancy has lost one of its great ones. I remember the 80s when Sam
took the time to offer advice to a rank beginner (me.) He had a kind
demeanor and what knowledge of the breed! Please let me know if
anyone will be doing a memorial for him in The Review--I want to be
counted IN!
Penny in NC
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Msg: #3 in digest
From: VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 07:06:42 EST
Subject: Sam Lawrence
Sam Lawrence,was one of our Former GSDCA Presidents,serving that office
and our club the two years before I became President. He and Marion were both
GSD Judges, as well as being completely involved is the All Breed Dog
World,with a number of top winning dogs. He was also a collector of art and
always used one of his art paintings for their Christmas card each year. He
has not been well for some time,and had home nursing care for this past
year. Rest in Peace Sam Helen Miller Fisher
Helen
Sam passed away this afternoon. I think the service will be on Wed. He
is being cremated
Kathy
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Msg: #4 in digest
From: Cynthia Van Den Berge <vande001@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Sam Lawrence
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 06:27:05 -0600
My dad and Sam were like oil and water..lol. They knew each other not through
dogs, but through trap shooting...both were big, loud and had their own ideas
about things! They never got along. I like to think that maybe they can sort
things out sooner rather than later in the hereafter cause eternity is really a
long time! Cynthia
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 3, 2011, at 6:06 AM, VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Sam Lawrence,was one of our Former GSDCA Presidents,serving that office
> and our club the two years before I became President. He and Marion were
> both
> GSD Judges, as well as being completely involved is the All Breed Dog
> World,with a number of top winning dogs. He was also a collector of art and
> always used one of his art paintings for their Christmas card each year. He
> has not been well for some time,and had home nursing care for this past
> year. Rest in Peace Sam Helen Miller Fisher
>
>
> Helen
> Sam passed away this afternoon. I think the service will be on Wed. He
> is being cremated
>
> Kathy
>
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Msg: #5 in digest
Subject: Pick your poison
From: "myjoygs@xxxxxxx" <myjoygs@xxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:10:26 -0500 (EST)
I believe environment has a lot to do with bloat as well. What about scenarios
where the dog has been away from home (for showing, training, stud etc) some
dogs are laid back enough and take everything in stride and then there are dogs
that do not. I think there are a lot of factors, stress, genetics, food, etc.
I know a story where a dog was at a handlers for months for showing, the owners
happen to be in town and visited then left and the dog bloated and died.. to me
that clearly is stress related, like any health issue some can lie dormant and
be triggered by something. Breeding is a crap shoot you never know what your
going to get health wise, every line has something, its like pick your poison.
Know your lines well and what lies in them and try not to double up, which is
hard because some won't disclose what they have experienced in their lines.
How can a breeder make an informed breeding decision without having all the
facts. A
majority of our dogs we breed go to
pet homes who are loved and spoiled and the heart ache that these pet owners
experience when their pet becomes tragically ill and they spend thousands to
save their beloved dog. Or how many of us have had that special show dog and
it bloats, torsions or a litter that we have to put down, innocent puppies,
because of mega, its heartbreaking. We have to do the best we can and be well
informed of what is in our lines and those we breed to and try not to double or
triple up on it, I think it an eye opener when you go to breed your bitch and
look around for something to breed to and notice that the gene pool is getting
very very small trying to find something that is relatively free of health
issues. Ideally breed to lines that are free of health issues, sadly if we did
that today, there would be no litters and eventually no german shepherds, what
is the solution? JMHO
Joyce
-----Original Message-----
From: Cyndi Flautt <caretti1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: 'gsd list' <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 1:07 pm
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] ] Re: What is going on?
irst of all, IMO, everything is part genetics and part environment!!
othing like a simple explanation....the KISS factor!!
Here's a question...Was there bloat in dogs back before kibble was invented?
f the answer is yes, was it as frequent?
Another question.... do generally all breeds/lines of horses colic?
googled colic in horses, below is what I got...There was nothing on that
ite about it being heriditary.....It's kind of interesting when you compare
hat we know/read about bloat in dogs and what can cause colic in horses...
Cyndi Flautt
ww.carettigsd.com
Colic
hat It Is
term used to describe a large range of abdominal discomforts, colic can be
nything from a twisted intestine to an enterolith to worm infestations.
olic is the #1 natural killer of horses.
ommon Causes
olic can be caused by many things. Here are some common causes:
Sand Colic: When horses ingest sand. Horses that are fed on sandy ground or
ave access to it may eat small bits of sand. Over time, the sand will build
p in the intestines and eventually cause discomfort. The horse may be
arrying 30-80 pounds before showing signs of colic.
ver feeding: If a horse breaks into the feed area and gorges itself colic
ould result.
arasitism: Worm infestations disrupt circulation in the intestines, or
lood clots and bits of dead worms may cause blockages.
rregular Feed Schedule: This may cause a horse to wolf feed if he gets
eally hungry. Feeding right after work or if horse is still hot also can
ause horse to come down with colic.
udden Changes in Feed: When you change feeds, or introduce new feed, be
ure you do so slowly!
ad Feed: Moldy or rotten feed may cause colic.
ngestion of Non-feed materials: Stones, sticks, twine, and wood splinters
re examples. Cribbers or horses that chew wood have a risk of swallowing
its and getting colic.
ine Grain: Sometimes it will pack together and cause blockages in the
ntestine.
oisons: Some poisons may cause colic. Moldy feed may cause mold poisoning
nd colic.
wisted Intestines: Very severe and life-threatening. There are different
ypes of twists in different areas, and they each have names. Here are a
ew:
trangulation: When parts of intestine become entangled in tears in the
upportive membrane.
ncarceration: Intestine is caught in inguinal ring of male horses, and
lood supply is cut off by twisting.
ntussusception: One part of the intestine falls into the other. More common
n foals than older horses.
ost colics can be classified as one of these 3 types:
ntestinal Dysfunction
he horse's digestive tract is not working properly. Impaction, paralysis,
nd excessive gas are examples. This type is the most common.
ntestinal Accidents
his is where the intestines are injured or torn, and are less common than
he type mentioned above, but usually require emergency surgery.
Enteritis or Ulcerations
his is a colic caused by infections, inflammations, and disease in the
ntestine, which can be caused by many factors, such as parasites and
tress.
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Msg: #6 in digest
From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:11:05 EST
Subject: Re: Chest, depth, gut & root...<G>
The part that was "not true" was when you posted "I would consider an
Irish Setter or any Setter to have ribbing more like
our
GSD....and they are never listed in "the group""
I posted an alphabetical list of dogs where the incidence was common and
provided the source for the list.
We've established the different species "bloat" or colic etc. No argument
there. But does that mean we throw up our hands and say "shit happens"
when we see certain doggy families that have a higher incidence than
others????? Does it mean we keep breeding the same pedigrees, watch more dogs
die
agonizing, untimely deaths and say "heck even rabbits can bloat, shit
happens" or "bad luck".
I happen to agree w/ Barbara, Chuck Krueger, Dr. Clemmens (sp?) etc., that
there is a GENETIC COMPONENT.
I have no idea if it is recessive w/ incomplete penetration (Barbara's
theory) and no doubt there can be environmental triggers. I don't need a DNA
marker though to sit up and take notice that certain lines have a MUCH
HIGHER INCIDENCE.
You may be correct Carolyn when you opine "I would seriously consider a
weak and long messenteric root to be part of the problem though....."
Maybe. And maybe THAT'S genetic too. And maybe we're dealing w/ something
that is polygenic. Dr. Kruger's research led him to believe that TG was
the result of heavy in/line breeding in some lines in the 80s and that lead
to weakened immune systems. So was the genetic link for TG weakened immune
systems???? And yet we see people breed into THOSE lines.
I had a private post from someone who has a young dog whose mother and
father (both finished, lovely dogs, exciting pedigrees) WERE BOTH DEAD AT 4.
I don't need a DNA marker to know I don't want to go there. We don't have
a marker. For now we have pedigrees.
I'm done with this. There will always be the "shit happens" crowd. I'm
not one of them.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
In a message dated 1/3/2011 1:49:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Not sure what I said that is "not true" in regard to this post.......but I
would never argue that these
Breeds or ANY breed does not bloat. Especially since that is my point!!
I believe every breed
and dog is capable of bloat in the right circumstances....not to mention a
lot of animals of other
species..
My point was that I do not believe a Great Dane has the same rib and chest
conformation as our
GSD ( nor do I consider them a deep chested breed ) and that I find
Setters to have a more
similar ribbing and chest depth....yet Great Danes are always listed FIRST
for a "bloating breed".
I certainly don't find Basset Hounds or Blood Hounds or Goldens or
Rottweiler's or St. Bernards,
etc. to have similar chest and ribbing conformation either........
In other words....I personally do not 'buy into' the "deep chested"
Breeds and breed types being
one of the causes of bloat.
I would seriously consider a weak and long messenteric root to be part of
the problem though.....
Carolyn _marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
_www.Marhaven.com_ (http://www.marhaven.com/)
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From: _Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxxx (mailto:Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx) Subject: [
SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Chest, depth, gut & root...<G>
Not true Carolyn, from Hunt Valley Animal Hsp. in MD (where they do a
laporoscopic procedure) :
A list of the most common breeds affected by GDV
AKITA
BASSET HOUND
BERNESE MOUNTAIN DOG
BLOODHOUND
BORZOI
BOXER
BULLMASTIFF
CHOW
DOBERMAN PINSCHER
GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG
GOLDEN RETRIEVER
GREAT DANE
GREAT PYRENEES
IRISH SETTER
IRISH WOLFHOUND
LABRADOR RETRIEVER
NEWFOUNDLAND
OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG
ROTTWEILER
STANDARD POODLE
ST. BERNARD
WEIMARANER
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (_http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_
(http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) )
In a message dated 1/2/2011 1:48:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
I would consider an Irish Setter or any Setter to have ribbing more like
our
GSD....and they are never listed in "the group"
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