Thanks for all your responses - I had never heard of this either and after further checking what I think was done was an ovariectomy I have never used this procedure either but it is done around my area although usually on pups not older bitches. Many reasons exist for performing ovariectomies instead of ovariohysterectomies in healthy bitches. Compared with ovariectomy, ovariohysterectomy in dogs is technically more complicated and time-consuming and is likely associated with greater morbidity (larger incision, more intraoperative trauma, increased discomfort).1 No significant differences between the two procedures have been observed for the incidence of long-term urogenital problems, including endometritis, pyometra, and urinary incontinence.1 In addition, there is no benefit and, thus, no indication for removing the uterus during routine neutering in healthy bitches.1 Further, a recent study concluded that laparoscopic-assisted ovariohysterectomies caused less surgical stress and up to 65% less postoperative pain than a traditional open surgical spay.2 Thus, I believe that performing ovariectomies laparoscopically further reduces the incision size, tissue trauma, and overall level of pain experienced by the patient compared with performing an open ovariectomy or open ovariohysterectomy. And because of video magnification of the laparoscopic image, some surgeons think it is easier to visualize the ovary during laparoscopy than during an open procedure, helping to ensure complete removal of the ovarian tissue.3 Threese Limited Edition Shepherds (VA) www.limitededitionshepherds.com Last Hope Safe Haven for GSDs http://lasthopesafehaven.com _____ From: Threese Clark [mailto:chcohosh@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 6:12 PM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: tubal legation for neutering OK - who of you have experience with tubal legation to neuter? I got a call today asking me what to do about a 2 year old who had a litter 3 mo. ago who was neutered a week ago and was still bleeding (take the dog back to the vet!!!!!! Of course). But the rest of the story made me curious. According to the caller (not anyone I know and not a dog from my kennel) the vet stitched the bitch "inside and out". I have never had this procedure done on any of my own nor am I aware of any of my puppy people having it done. However being in the medical profession this does not make sense to me. The procedure for a human is to tie or cauterize the end of the tube. The "outside" would not be closed as the drainage of any old fluid or blood from the procedure is important (I'll not mention other reasons not to close). So please someone enlighten me. Threese Limited Edition Shepherds (VA) www.limitededitionshepherds.com Last Hope Safe Haven for GSDs http://lasthopesafehaven.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================