I 100% agree with you, very well put. Once the puppy leaves your premises you are no longer in control the new owner is. This society has become lazy in training dogs treats and clickers are now the way most trainers and owners chose. Then when they have a problem they call in Cesar Millan or someone like him to solve the problem. When I watched him hold down a puppy upside down until it no longer fought that was it for me. I guess if you break the spirit you having a robot it responds. Each puppy and dog are individuals and needs to be trained according and placed by their personalities. As some can handle a hard temperament dog others need a softer dog but I do see the softer dogs now more often. This might be the reason for the treats and clickers that are being used. When the hard puppy arrives though these methods do not work on them. You always need to connect with your puppy to make them a good dog understanding them is the key word. Theresa -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 4/7/14, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> wrote: Date: Monday, April 7, 2014, 8:57 AM Yeah...BUT...even people who have had GSDs or other large dogs previously (one of my qualifiers BTW), have been sold the "cookie power" training methods now. I forget which store someone told me they were in but they no longer carry choke or martingale collars. Next we have the "wait out the behavior" obedience trainers, in other words, wait for a dog to do something right and rain cookies on them. (Rhett is laying at my feet now, should I rain cookies on him for laying down? "Good lay down!" He'd be happy but convinced I really have lost my mind!) Then we have the Cesar Millan followers who think problems THEY create can be solved in a 1/2 hour between commercial breaks. You can qualify potential buyers until you are blue in the face but the reality is, once that puppy leaves your hands, there's very little you can do to combat the row of business cards at the vets' offices, the solicitations for in-home training and the nuts who are supporting dog cookie companies. I know we're in trouble when they are paying the vet to trim 12 week old Princess' nails.... There has to be a happy medium. The old snatch-and-jerk don training method was a bit much, the "cookie power" method is ruining just as many dogs. Hopefully the pendulum will swing back towards center a bit. My puppy packet is now almost book length but I doubt fewer then 10% actually READ it. I can tell by the questions that come up. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================