OK, this is a puzzle and my initial thought was some type of reaction to a toxin (dog food??? melamine? new bag w/ mold???), but there are things with whatever scenarios I can think of that just don't fit...also, I think I have the details right, and there are some areas that I would have liked to ask follow up and get better info, but that's impossible when a person is (understandably) so upset...so here's the best I have from notes I took while we were speaking... I received a frantic phone call from a lady y-day, 3 year old GSD bitch, kept indoors, run of the house while family at work/school, spayed, healthy until now. On Wednesday after school, +/- 3 PM son comes home, lets bitch out, plays Frisbee, all is well. Son brings her back in, off to play w/ friends. Mom comes home +/- 6PM, the dog's face is covered in hives, quarter size, very swollen, eyes almost closed, jowls sagging, rush to vet. Vet administers a shot of steroids (pred????), sends dog home w/ pred & antibiotics. (I don't know which antibiotics). Dog makes miraculous recovery, all seems well. Thursday PM, family has something to do in the evening, when they return home, dog seems lethargic, but eating/drinking/ and relieving herself normally. In fact, she's drinking more than usual which would be OK due to pred. Friday AM, dog is noticeably more lethargic and seems to be having difficulty w/ one paw. (????) Back to (regular) vet who does a series of tests. Spine is x-rayed (normal), esophagus normal (I suspect here the vet may have though MG), blood is drawn, some sort of tick born illness suspected...dog sent home. Drinks normally, eats w/ encouragement, relieves herself outside (but appears "very unsteady"). Saturday AM, much worse, more lethargic, normal vet closed, off to ER vet. ER vet suggests stopping pred & antibiotics, wants to refer to orthopedic specialists(?????). Suspects neuro problem. Mentions possible brain tumor (??????) Owner tells me at this point they are googling things at the ER vet and nothing fits...ER vet mentions "Coon Hound paralysis" (????). While at the ER, the bitch starts walking on the top of the paw she is having difficulty with (DM?). It sounds to the owner like the vets are just all over the place, so she takes her dog home, opts not to take her to the orthopedic specialist (yet). ER vets don't think there is any relation to the face swelling/hives incident and the rapid onset of neuro symptoms. (????) OK, here's where I get (really) scared... After returning from the ER, the bitch has an accident in their sun room. Very dark, blood tinged urine w/ what the owner said "smelled of tin". The owner called the ER back, and she was told that was from "muscles deteriorating". (?????????) Say what????? (Keep in mind here, there was no point in me grilling this lady, as the story went on, she was/is obviously very upset. I may be getting good info, or I may be getting what she's remembering, and we all know what it's like to be in a panic for answers and later try to retell the story). My initial instinct would be to RUN not walk to "my" favorite ER, and naturally I gave them the phone, directions and who to ask for, but gosh am I going to run up a bill for them that way...not that it's all about the money, but both husband & wife's jobs are in jeopardy w/ the economic situation, they just spent $$$$$ over 2 days and have no answers...also as I'm saying this I'm thinking if indeed her kidneys are failing...and this started Wednesday and now we're at Saturday PM...well it's a very questionable outcome...the bitch was resting comfortably in her crate w/ the door open when we spoke, drinking, eating a little, not in obvious discomfort, though unwilling to walk/go outside, so their plan, unless of course at any time the bitch appears to be in distress/pain...is to wait until the (regular) vet gets the blood panels back Monday AM. I suggest getting as much liquid into her as possible. Here's some more fill in the blank stuff...I asked about Christmas decorations/poinsettias/potpourri/sugar free gum/chocolate/raisins (all the usual suspects), ...all negative. They do use an exterminator, but not recently. They do treat their lawn, but not the back lawn which is fenced for the dog. Plus the front hasn't been treated for 60+ days... She hasn't had any shots recently. She had her heartworm pill in December, not January yet. (I suggested holding off.) The owners have been all through the house/yard w/ a fine tooth comb and can find nothing amiss that the bitch could have gotten into. The bitch eats Nutro (Nutra???), and sometimes it is top-dressed w/ the same stuff in pouches that was recalled. However, we went to the recall web site and none of the lot #s that the owner still has are on the recall list, although she had given her 2 pouches prior to Wednesday that have been thrown away, so those lot #s weren't available to be checked. Interestingly, some of the ones on the recall list have best-by dates into 2010... For treats she gives dehydrated chicken & beef strips (that really got my attention...there was something last week about those being from China and containing melamine, right????). Unfortunately, the strips have been in the dog cookie jar, the packaging has been thrown away and that's all I have on that. Again, I know there are a lot of holes in the info. I don't want to start a dog food or vet bashing war here, I know some things don't make a lot of sense, (realize I was taking notes as one very frantic owner was trying to remember all that has happened, remembered some things out of order, and who hasn't slept in two+ days), but does anybody have any ideas that I can relay to her??? TIA Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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