As usual, those last comments of Norma's were incorrect. I seem to recall a two time Grand Victor both here and in Canada who had no "important connections" at all (that is to say, no Board Members involved, no Officers, just his breeders and lucky me); who had no "big bucks" behind him. Oh yes, he did have a top handler for those wins...no one can deny Terry's great ability...but let us not forget that previously, the dog was Winners at the National under Joan Fox with his co-breeder showing him (from Bred-By Exhibitor); that he got a Select that year with his co-breeder showing him, and a Select the following year, again with his co-breeder on the lead. In spite of all the crap talk that went on later, all proved untrue, by the way, just remember that...the dog set records without all the nonsense that Norma seems to believe is necessary. Politics exists...but a great dog doesn't need them. Peggy Mickelson co-owner of 2X AmCan GV Marquin's Xtra! Xtra! along with his breeders: Mark and Barbara Hefner and Kevin Reynolds > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================