In a message dated 4/10/2007 7:57:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Pinehillgsds writes: Technically, but I don't know anyone who would show a pup with ears that were totally down. I'm guessing they may not have been firm, and I don't imagine a judge would dq for that or even hold it against them for that matter. ********************************************************* I agree as long as they are up, they don't have to be firm. I also do not think they have to keep them up the whole time they are in the ring. If I see the dog bring them up without the help of the handler then that is all that is needed. Lee Brown ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================