[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: - the other White decision "Ponder this"
- From: Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx" <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx>, "marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 16:26:59 -0700 (PDT)
Gosh....all my dogs go back to Axel and I have never had a white or even pale
dogs.
Maybe selection is important?
Joan
Joan F. Fox
17500 Haskins Rd.
Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023
tel: 440-759-4119
http://www.campaignersgsds.com
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> From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: "marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>"showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 5:39 PM
>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: - the other White decision "Ponder this"
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>
>Ido not know what the correct thing to do with the white GSD but here are
>facts of what
>Stephanitz wrote in German Shepherd Dog in Word and Picture in the First
>American addition
>printed and translated in Germany. So if you consider all the facts below
>to remove the white GSD from AKC would be a mistake for all the
>linebred-inbred pups
>that go back to AXEL VON DER DEININGHAUSERHEIDE. Breeders are going to get
>an occasional white pup it will happen since it is in the genes. As in Germany
>and Austria of what I was told they gave the off-color pups away years ago and
>got
>the sold the source sire to other countries.
>
>As written by Stephanitz in his book written in Germany...
>
>"Although I stated in the first chapter that a dog's
>colour is without any significance from the point of view of work, when judging
>him it cannot be completely disregarded. However, the judge should not be
>influenced by any artistic
>consideration but by the fact that a clear and strong colouring points to a
>healthy and hardy physical condition of the dog. Any decline in the strength of
>the original colour, called fading, is at the same time an urgent warning of
>physical weakness and lack of power resistance, especially towards diseases.
>Whilst an intensification of dark colour is, first and foremost the outcome of
>selective breeding, paling is mostly a sign of wrong breeding or
>overbreeding. For this reason the bearers
>of such colours must be considered less suitable for breeding purposes. With
>dogs, however, who have been bred to
>white colour, where the pigmentation has been retained by the skin, it is not a
>sign of paling
>but of breed. This, however, applied only to other breeds:
>for shepherd-dogs, both smooth and rough haired, white is forbidden and only
>allowed for shaggy haired ones as the descendants of the old sheep dogs bred
>for white."
>
>AXEL VON DER DEININGHAUSERHEIDE carried the faded gene which
>has passed down through sons Troll vom Richterbach and Watzer von Bad Melle in
>USA. Axel is probably the number one dog
>in the background of the faded color and white GSD's here. I know there are
>others but of the pedigrees
>I have researched the most popular lines are their descendents Lance and Brend
>seem to be there the most bringing it up today.
>
>The Nazi's I was told by German family members that the
>Nazi's liked the rich colors not white or paling GSD's. My aunt left Austria
>with her GSD's as did my
>grandparents and my great-grandma while my great-grandfather stayed behind as
>the Nazi's took over his home as a headquarters. There were many very good
>GSD's lost through the war which
>did leave a large impact on the breed.
> Theresa
>From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: - the other White decision
>
>Since the white Shepherd has been a DQ for many, many years....and has NEVER
>been a 'desirable' part of the Standard for the German Shepherd Dog it seems
>it has been the decision of those who continue breeding them to have to deal
>with the problems that exist with that decision....just as it does with any
>other DQ in any Breed Standard.
>Why not let them "go" off into their own Breed and gain their own glory as a
>very beautiful White breed of dog like others have? There are many white
>breeders that DO prefer that...and many that breed according to the our AKC
>Standard that DO prefer that. It's the best possible solution rather than
>risk destroying our Parent Club over another 'war'....
>AKC will work it out in the most fair way possible once we give them the
>permission to separate. You KNOW AKC is not going to lose the revenue from
>those that are already Registered!! They will have a method as they do for
>any 'new' breed that originated from another. There are quite a few "white"
>Breeds that we now know ..and are highly respected that came from separation
>from another Breed Standard.
>
>Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>www.marhaven.com
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