I believe that Jimmy's mother bred and showed poodles (gawd ... I may be wrong on the breed) and that he began in the all-breed ring but I mostly saw him at specialties when he was ohhh so very young. Yes, It was black miniature poodles in Can. Dont let him fool you, he can still "glue one together". And also, dont let Jerry Guzman fool you too. I have seen him show a few and did it much better than some in our breed. When I worked for Mark Shanoff a long time ago, he was handed our open class bitch. He asked for a can of spray and a comb, sprayed her back up, went into the class and I think he won and gave her back to mark for winners bitch. Mike ====================== www.BlackHawk-Farms.com Northern California American Saddlebred Horse Association Vice President (Class of 2007) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================