I've never pulled a bitch completely away while she's still nursing. When I start weaning pups, I feed them while their mom is outside. I give her longer and longer breaks as the pups get used to eating the food. They're less hungry, so they don't nurse as long or as vigorously, and the bitch dries up more gradually. This is less stressful on Mom and babies, and I've never had a problem with a bitch having sore teats - whether I've had a large litter, or with my recent singleton pup. I believe the mother provides more for the babies than just food, and don't like to completely separate them until the mother is ready and the pups are less dependent (usually between 6-7 weeks). Janice In a message dated 3/15/2006 6:23:41 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: I have something that's been bothering me since Sunday and I don't know what to do about it or IF it can even be prevented or IF it can't be prevented how others handle it; How do you prevent a bitch's front breasts from becoming too full/sore, etc., when as her puppies get in the 2-3 week range they are big enough to nurse on the back breasts when she is sitting up? This last litter makes twice I've had to deal with this, and as soon as I noticed a problem (within hours literally because I've been staying home w/ the litter), I expressed some milk, then sat with the bitch, had her lay down and let the puppies nurse from the front breasts then sat with her applying hot compresses. Over the course of the next few days, there were lots of hot compresses. To fill in the blanks, I started the puppies on their "puppy cereal" at 18 days, at the time this happened, 21 days, mom had access to the puppies but also the ability to come and go from the puppy pen as she pleased. The current litter is a big litter and mom had an extraordinary amount of milk. When it happened before, I would say it was a normal sized litter, normal amount of milk. With the current litter, I've since (24 days) taken mom away from the babies until her milk dries up, though she is with me when I change their bedding/water/food but I don't let her in with them to nurse. The soreness is subsiding, but darn it, these little buggers are rough, wanting to jump up and hang from her! It just looks to painful for words to me and I hear how some of you can leave your girls w/ the puppies literally until they are ready to leave and instead I'm sitting with a lot of hot compresses and feeling just awful for my girl! What I did when this happened before is let mom (different mom) hang out with them during the day with the option of getting away from them if she pleased (using a low barrier she could jump from the puppy pen), once her milk dried up and that's the plan for this current litter. Thank God I caught it immediately or I could have had a big problem.... so what do you all do when mom wants to sit up an nurse and her front breasts get sore and too full? Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================