Maybe we should add another class. Call it the Really Alert Class. Lerts are very popular :0) Terry ________________________________ From: carolyn mckenna <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx> To: "campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx" <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx>; Mike & Sheila Metz <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx" <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx>; "lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "vprezhmf@xxxxxxx" <vprezhmf@xxxxxxx>; "Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx" <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>; "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx" <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: temperament Ahhhh, Joan, don't even joke about this. Some may think you are caving, not ! We have to realize that some of these folks are, thankfully, not brain surgeons. Carolyn ________________________________ From: Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx> To: Mike & Sheila Metz <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx" <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx>; "lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "vprezhmf@xxxxxxx" <vprezhmf@xxxxxxx>; "Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx" <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>; "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx" <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:47 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: temperament Totally on the same page Mike. But the problem is.... it is not enforced. Therefore, the whole title is loosing it's meaning. As is Select. There is a penalty agreed to by those that sign the agreement and yet some do not do the test and there is no reprecussion. Bob Penny and Dick Whalen are rolling over in their graves. I understand the Board is considering doing away with the Temperament Test at the Futurities as some of the selected observers have not been doing their job properly. What about the judges that don't do the required test? Maybe we should change the standard to also so more unsound dogs can win? Joan Joan F. Fox website: http://www.campaignersgsds.com 17500 Haskins Rd. Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023 Cell: 440-759-4119 >________________________________ >From: Mike & Sheila Metz <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> >To: Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx> >Cc: "Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx" <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx>; >"lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; >"vprezhmf@xxxxxxx" <vprezhmf@xxxxxxx>; "Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx" ><Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>; "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; >"helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx" <helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx> >Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:28 PM >Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: temperament > > >I would think that portion would stay as it is currently structured Joan. The >GSDCA Temperament Test, and thereby the AOE would be a bit stronger and more >meaningful for breeders. > > >On 10/11/2011 4:43 PM, Joan Fox wrote: >OK.... does that mean that the Temperament Test should be enforced as required >when a judge signs the agreement to judge the National? By whom? >>HM...... now that's a can of worms isn't it? >>Joan >> >> >> >>Joan F. Fox >>website: http://camaignersgsds.com >>17500 Haskins Rd. >>Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023 >> >>Cell: 440-759-4119 >> >> >>>________________________________ >>>From: Mike & Sheila Metz <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>To: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx >>>Cc: lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; vprezhmf@xxxxxxx; Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx; >>>showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:04 PM >>>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: temperament >>> >>>The way to get around all of the AKC aspects is to incorporate the drug >>>test with the GSDCA Temperament Test and publish the results(behind the >>>firewall of course), which would add even more meaning to the AOE. >>> >>>regards, >>> >>>M >>> >>> >>>On 10/11/2011 2:25 PM, Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx wrote: >>>> I think all selects and dogs taking points should be tested. >>>> And ALL responsible persons for the dog(s) be included in the >>>> repercussions. >>>> >>>> Molly >>>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 10/11/2011 2:06:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >>>> lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: >>>> How will this be implemented? Will all dogs that get a select title get a >>>> >>>> "drug test"? Who gets the "slap-on-the-wrist" if a dog >>>> fails--Owner??Handler??Dog??All of the above?? Will the results be public >>>> (club members) knowledge? Will the AKC be advised? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ===========================================================================>>>> POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. >>>> >>>> Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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