Excuse me...but, were you a STUPID PET OWNER at one time?? I may have started as a stupid pet owner but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know when a dog is very sick. After all, when you see them healthy and happy and eating well, you surely know when they are very sick. And as a responsible pet owner even with my first gsd, I could read books, pick brains, take the dog to the vet for the necessary visits. And stay in contact with the breeder. A first time pet owner does not have to be/stay stupid. Anne, TN ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================