If you breed two long coats together all the resulting progent will?be long coats..... coat inheritance works much the same as color inheritance..... By the same token you could breed a long coated bitch to my stud dog and you would never get a long coated puppy because he doesn't carry a gene for it.... however all the resulting progeny would carry a recessive gene?for long coats.... which is why if you try linebreeding in GV Crunch you will likely get long coats; because since it was known he didn't carry a recessive for long coats he was bred to many long coat bitches (a perfect example would be GV Polo who was sired by GV Crunch out of a long coat bitch) and to bitches who carried the long coat factor. Gary Lewis Garter German Shepherd Dogs Home of: RMB Lisa of Fran-Jo Anne Isle ROM BOM Ch Yankee of Fran-Jo Anne Isle -----Original Message----- From: Liane Fossland <lfossland@xxxxxxx> To: gsdramey@xxxxxxx; firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx; july9000@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 2:21 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: stud with no coat factor.. I've had breedings quite close to Crunch and had several long coats. In one instance I had 3 out of 6. They were easier to sell than the regular coats because they were "so cute"! So, in other words, just because the parents had regular coats that does not mean you're out of the woods. It can happen any time. Lee F. -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Norma Ramey Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:24 AM To: firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx; july9000@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: stud with no coat factor.. While reading Julie's requirements for a stud dog, she mentions nothing about her bitch! Details about her, in my opinion, is something very important for any breeding! She may find a male as stated, but, would that particular dog be good for this particular bitch? "No coat" -- as I see Tom's note here, it has made me smile a little with the thoughts of a Mexican Hairless and/or a Chinese Crested -- these breeds have "no coat" -- just kidding! IF the "no coat", which is what I feel is the case, means "no LONG coat" it's a strange recessive as we've had the recent thread on color as well. "NO guarantees" --- However, I've felt, in my years of study and some experience, that stuff beyond the third generation is diluted or watered down a bit and may not show up --- unless close or inbreeding is done on those earlier generations. Norma and her 2 cents worth here in a way that, as usual, isn't normal --- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Elkins" <firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx> To: <july9000@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: stud with no coat factor.. There's been quite a bit of good information on here lately about coat color, but I don't know of anyone that is breeding them with no coat. That could be quite a selling point. And what would you get if you bred two no coats? Tom Elkins Firethorn Temple -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of julie harel Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:55 AM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] stud with no coat factor.. Hi everybody, I'm starting to look for a boy to breed my girl. Here's what I need.. (not too big, short, good hind drive, no coat,OFA HIP and Elbows, and naturally a good temperament). 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