Evan, I have always wondered that too. I figured the order is by size and speed of movement. But, when I look at the total orders of all the Groups, that isn't really always so. Ok, the Peke always goes last, like the GSD always goes first. But, who determined the order? Is it just an unwritten law? What happens when new Breeds come in. Is there a focus group that determines the order? Such mysteries in the dog show world :-) -----Original Message----- From: ELG440@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 7:22 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] staying for group n a message dated 6/2/2007 6:57:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dir@xxxxxxxxxx rites: ust wondering how you all feel about staying for the group when you already now top Group winners will be in that class. Are you just proud to have a B animal to go into the group or are you feeling like it is not worth taying for? I have no opinion--just wondering how you all feel . I always stayed for the group just to go to the front with the German hepherd. I always wondered where that started and who was the first person to take the Shepherd in first? I thought maybe I was being "pushy" when I started doing it. Then I realized that I liked being "pushy". n those rare occasions when I got a chance to stay for the group, I always id. Just to go in first. van Asgard German Shepherds ttp://www.asgardgsd.com/ here Type Movement and Temperament come together ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. =========================================================================== OST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org =========================================================================== ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================