I tend to agree with Kathy. I could also add a litany of horror stories of Vet's taking unknowing owners to the cleaners and never getting to real root of the problem....... and it is almost always something simple. We call them "shopping center" Vets. <G> They are always looking for something rare and exotic and forget the basics like checking for Lymes, Pano, tape, etc. i.e. New puppy in new home......a simple case of loose stools from change of water and they are running tests for pancreatic problems.....puppy had a hard day of play with older puppy and limps for a day or so and they are sure it is dysplastic....." because it's a GSD problem"... With all the reems of paperwork and advice and information that we send with each pet puppy.....our last words are ALWAYS...."if you have any questions or concerns, call us". Standing behind a puppy or dog with a REAL problem is a lot different than a Vet that literally takes a new owner to the Cleaners and can't find one single thing wrong and therefore decides it could be a "pre disposition to an auto immune problem.as most GSD have that problem"........ or something of that ILK! We had one 8 mos. old son of BOSS that the owner called us really upset as it was diagnosed with "WOBBLER'S SYNDROME"........a Doberman problem!!! End of THAT horror story was the puppy had skidded on ice and fractured it's back.... :o( Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx www.marhaven.com I know I'm not alone with horror stories, so I ask again, and I'd love to hear, "when you have vet care like the above, just HOW MUCH is the breeder expected to stand behind???" KATHY: AS DIFFICULT AS IT IS, AND IT IS OFTEN TIMES MOST HEART-RENDING... WE MUST SURELY STAND BEHIND THEM ALL, AND TRY TO MAKE SENSE OUT OF OFTEN NONSENSE AND DO OUR VERY BEST FOR THEM...BARB W. I probably wasn't clear. I don't mean "stand behind" as in take a dog back who is no longer wanted. I mean, do you (generic you), open your wallet and offer to pay for some of the nonsensical services I outlined in my post where an owner is taken to the cleaners, and if so, for what time period, or in the case where a dog dies from bad vet care (as in the dog who bled out from treatment for Lymes) do you offer to replace, perhaps cover a partial costs of a new puppy, or even in some instances do you feel the owners were dumb enough to go along with it, so they don't get a puppy because you don't want another puppy to be subject to the same (science-project like) nonsense? Realize too, I'm not speaking of a particular State's puppy lemon law, although with some of the numbers I've thrown out there, thank God they limit a breeder's liability to the cost of the puppy for a certain length of time. (These things are starting to look good!) I'm telling you, after seeing some of the things I've seen in the last few years, I am seriously considering adding something to my puppy packet suggesting folks call me before they start running up bills if they question procedures. Come on, $1,500 for "front limb" x-rays???? I pay $60. Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================