In the U S a judge can award blue ribbons in all the classes and still withhold the points. Something I could never understand because if you are going to withhold why give a blue ribbon. To me the place to withhold is not award a first place ribbon then the dog does not come back in for winners. Also, cannot award WD and then withhold the point. He/she can say to the class I am awarded a WD today so withhold all Winner ribbons and they would get no point. You don't award WD and then think you can withhold the points, that is up to AKC. Once you award WD and give out a WD ribbon the dog would get the point in the U S. Lee Brown Too far from the womb and too close to the tomb to care about what anyone thinks of me _lebrowngsd@aol.com_ (mailto:lebrowngsd@xxxxxxx) In a message dated 9/30/2014 5:15:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ropajagsd@xxxxxxx writes: Are the CKC rules that different from AKC rules? Why would a judge award WD and then withhold the point? If there was an issue why not withhold both the ribbon and the point? Also, how would the judge know how old a dog was? It is not in the judges book? I do not understand, please explain...Molly???......... Pauline Moon Ropaja German Shepherds Msg: #8 in digest Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:14:32 -0400 Subject: some judges!!!! From: Linda Terry <jolisgsd@xxxxxxxxx> A friend of mine told me this morning that her boy (from my breeding) went WD in Canada a couple of weeks ago at a small all-breed show. She and her husband were so excited because it would be the last point needed for his Canadian championship. However, after the judge awarded the ribbon, he informed my friend's husband (who handles the dog himself) that he was withholding the point because the dog was too old. 7 year old male who is in great physical shape. Honestly, I think some judges are in league with those who want to stop the sport of dog showing!!!!!! -- Linda Terry etsy shop: http://www.etsy.com/shop/TheQuiltedPuppy?ref=shop_sugg & Jolis Adirondack Breeze, CGC & Jolis Adirondack Onyx Storm, RN, CGC & the forever in my heart Jolis Meadow Zephyr, CDX, RE, CGC & CH Snowyrivers Adirondack Joe v Jolis, HIC ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ . ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================