In a message dated 06/15/2005 9:37:18 PM Central Daylight Time, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: << These are good points, but the question to ask is, "Is the quality of the German shepherd better than it was ten years ago?" Evan>> I assume you are talking about the tiny portion of GSDs that compete in AKC conformation shows. So, say that between 3,000 and 4,000 GSDs were registered with the AKC each month for the last 10 years (4,044 were registered in April, 2005), and that only the best of the best of those few that were registered in show homes were actually shown. Even then, it depends on the criteria and who you ask. Do you mean sidegait? Coming and going? Backs? Temperament? Sex characteristics? Health: hips, elbows, bloat/torsion, DM, mega, etc.? Or do you mean the overall dog? And is that only in Specialties, or also the numbers competing/winning at high level AB shows? Depending on each breeder's or judge's personal experience during the last ten years and, without numbers generated by breed-wide studies (that can be verified!) over time, the answer can differ widely. Anecdotal evidence is interesting, but hardly scientific, and can actually be harmful. Some breeders tend to think their own dogs reflect the status of the breed as a whole (for better or for worse) and some judges, while only judging 3 or 4 times a year, may think the dogs they judge are truly representative. Even our National suffers from attrition of dogs due to economics, illness, the choice of judge, etc., although it remains the largest yearly representation of AKC conformation GSDs. It would be interesting to do a study based on the percentage of dogs actively being shown during a given year who actually appear at the National that year. Anyway, without hard facts, improvement or decline is in the eye of the beholder and there are few eyes in any field (not just ours) that are not either jaundiced or sporting rose-colored glasses! Sharon CODA GERMAN SHEPHERDS ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================