If you look at it from either side, the elbow should be opened so that it is in front of, or under, the point of shoulder, not under the chest. In fact,a picture showing the "off" leg may show correct shoulder opening even better because you can see that the elbow is indeed in front of the point of shoulder. There should be an almost straight line from the shoulder blade through the upper arm and the foreleg, causing the elbow to almost disappear. Also,no matter the time frame, the feet should remain close to the ground.This allows no excuse for lift regardless of the moment the picture is snapped because there should never be any lift.during any sequence. JMHO Carolyn Pam Stoesser <pkstoesser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Sandi, et al, Here's something I don't understand. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I have always photographed a dog in motion with the side of the dog nearest the camera fully extended so it shows the shoulder opening. So many of the pictures today show the side of the dog nearest to the camera with the foreleg back, which I think distorts the view of the shoulder and the rear quarter. Timing is everything with dogs and just 1 frame (shot at 30 per second) can make the difference between seeing the dog as he/she really is versus the lifting (incorrectly) portrayed in the Review. Doesn't the Standard specifically mention "close to the ground"? Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert dir" To: ; "gsd list" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: so far today... > OH My Peggy---you are so very right right about folks using pictures of > their dogs gaiting in the Review and they are so in correct. Have been > seeing this for months. Just tells us again many do not know correct > fronts. LIFTING in front is NOT correct. Yes they are fancy and exciting > but put beside a good side gaiter--who covers the most ground? > Those that cover the ground with the least effort seem to get lost in the > picture to-day. Very sad. Sandi Card > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy" > To: "gsd list" > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:46 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] so far today... > > >>I didn't have much sleep...was on the phone with a friend until 3 in the >> morning--and then couldn't unwind enough to go to sleep >> until about quarter to 4. When I woke up at 6:30, I thought I'd go >> back to sleep, which I did, and finally got up at about 9. Put the dogs >> out, >> and then saw that Cry The Beloved Country was on TV, so I watched >> that. It just finished. It's very slow paced...but >> it makes you think..........and yes, the book was better, as I recall >> (altho I read it in high school, which was a long time ago)...... >> Today has started calmly and slowly...I wish I were going to a dog show, >> but instead I guess I'll do laundry and maybe plant some fall flowers in >> the >> "welcome" pots outside the front door. I read the list mail, and I >> think I'm glad I didn't see the nasty letter that Ken Downing >> mentioned. Truth is, I've >> never seen such behaviour in a dog club before...for the most part, even >> if I oppose someone, or don't like someone, I don't see a need for >> hate...ever. >> >> I finally opened the September Review (of which I'd seen a preview) and >> must say that while some of the pictures of dogs in motion are >> wonderful, I'm >> still amazed that people would put pictures of their dogs into a >> magazine when those pictures show gait faults.........there were also >> some beautiful non-motion >> pictures............maybe everyone who's staying home today should just >> go and read their Reviews...or at least look at the pictures. It might >> calm down some of >> the heebie-jeebies that some listers obviously have.......... >> >> Peggy >> >> >> ============================================================================ >> POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the >> original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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