If you look at a broader picture though the GSD's have changed from the 50's and 60's and with it came more health issues, temperament and conformation faults. I know there are still very good dogs out there but I see far more showing and placing that shouldn't. When I go though the old reviews I see dogs without the longer down pasterns front with their back cannons down on the ground but I do see some with the same longer narrow faces with closer set eyes as the these dogs of today. I think it is what a person gets use to seeing and they just accept it. These GSD's place due to the fact the good dogs are not there. However, they still receive the 1st placing and the on lookers wonder why. You can not keep a person from showing these dogs walking on their pasterns and down in their hindquarters but these are the GSD's the public are seeing due to the good dogs not being there. The speciality shows are different but a smaller AKC shows have these dogs. Theresa Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:09:01 -0800 (PST) From: carolyn mckenna <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Swim in the pool you have One would certainly hope so.  Our goal is "betterment". The dogs have become better and better because the judges are looking for better, not different.  In the 50s and 60s, a really fine dog stood out in the show ring; today there are so many good ones, the poorer ones stand out. Carolyn Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:15 PM Re: Swim in the pool you have the standard may not have changed, but one would have to be blind not to see that the look of the American conformation dog has changed since the 50s and 60s....and that is not necessarily a bad thing....Ed ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================