That's not entirely true about there not being any Obedience Victor/ Victrix if a white wins the AKC High Combined Award. If that should happens and there is another dog that has high enough scores( 380 points or more) and that dog does meet ALL of the qualifications required, then that dog would be given the title of OV. A White GSD going High Combined has only happened once before that I am aware of , ( it was in Burbank in 1995)) and in that particular case the second place dog met all of the requirements except for scores, his score in Open B was 197 1/2 and the score in Utility was a 189 1/2 that was back when each score had to be over a 190 and a combined score of 385 points or more . That's why we didn't have an OV on that year. Had the other dog met the requirements for scores it would have been given the title. In 1993 we didn't have an OV because the scores were 192 1/2 and a 191 which didn't add up to 385 so we didn't have an OV that year. ironically it happened with the same dog as in 1995 (Since then that part of the requirements has been change to read that the score must be 380 points or more.) All it takes to go from a 195 to a 192 is one no sit, and when you have 18 (or 20 depending on how you send your dog on the scent discrimination exercise) sits just in Utility alone It can go downhill fast. The reason that I have all these fact so conveniently at hand is because Dr. Zoe and I have been figuring out just when and where this event did occur, and since I was obedience chairman at the time I have all the scores recorded in my catalogs from those shows. Lori . In a message dated 8/7/2011 10:24:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: digest From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Entry form and colors Well, the dog could win the top AKC award, just not the PC award. Take OB for instance; if a white goes High Combined, which is an AKC award we do not have an OB GV/GVX that year. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================