[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V4 #1704
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- Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:11:13 +0000
German Lines..great topic guys!!
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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:57:43
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Subject: showgsd-l Digest V4 #1704
showgsd-l Digest Fri, 03 Sep 2010 Volume: 04 Issue: 1704
In This Issue:
#1: From: Patricia Cross <chstormdog@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Best Blacks
#2: From: Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Buying A German Import
#3: From: "Mo Murkland" <onetxalphab@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Opinion on Accepting the TT instead of a TC
#4: From: Stormy Hope <Stormy435@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Opinion on Accepting the TT instead of a TC
#5: From: Penny & Bill <ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: How 'bout them black and tans?
#6: From: Stormy Hope <Stormy435@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Opinion on Accepting the TT instead of a TC
#7: From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: German imports
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Msg: #1 in digest
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:00:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Patricia Cross <chstormdog@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Best Blacks
In my heart the best black dog was my Sel. Ch. Steigerhaus Bo Jackson son, but
I
know he wasn't. I would have to say "Bo Jackson", followed by Sel. Ch.
Riverdell's Black Ice. These 3 dogs stole my heart. Even though my "Storm" was
not a champion of record, he was a champion in my heart and to all that knew
him. I will never forget the applause he received at the 2 nationals he was
shown as a Veteran. He loved everyone he met and was a great ambassador of the
breed along with Bo & Tristan.
Patti
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Msg: #2 in digest
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Zoa Rockenstein <zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Buying A German Import
I agree that it takes a lot of studying to make a responsible breeding
decision. I think there are many breeders who don't know the dogs in their own
American pedigrees very well. Sometimes the information one needs is difficult
to acquire.
Zoa
Dr. Zoa Rockenstein
www.riverrockshepherds.com
Home of: Ch. RiverRock's Hotel California (Callie), RiverRock's Straight From
The Heart (Sera),
RiverRock's Karlotta v. Kenlyn (Karla), and RiverRock's Heart of the Matter
(Luke)
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From: "Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx" <Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx>
To: lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 5:45:31 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Buying A German Import
Truer words were never spoken, Mike. Part of the problem with using the
German dogs is not the dogs themselves - it's that there are very few people
in this country who really know the European pedigrees well enough and far
back enough to make an educated breeding decision. I've run into quite a
few folks who think they have the knowledge but less than a handful who
truly do.
Diane
Diane Silver-Strasser
Silstra German Shepherds
_Skatiebug'z_ (http://skatiebugz.shutterfly.com/) The online store for
everything German Shepherd and then some!
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Skater's Blog
In a message dated 9/3/2010 3:41:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Your job as a breeder is to understand your bitches pedigree in great
detail(the good and the bad) covering all aspects of the breed and standard.
Then use that same scrutiny when choosing her mates, complimenting her
strengths, overcoming her weaknesses both phenotypically and genotypically,
To do this you must understand both her and the studs pedigrees in depth(a
minimum of five generations, and their litter mates if possible) .
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Msg: #3 in digest
From: "Mo Murkland" <onetxalphab@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Opinion on Accepting the TT instead of a TC
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 20:37:04 -0500
Suzanne,
I may be from the old school on this one! What kind of a indicator of
temperament is the CGC or the TC when dogs have to be "prepared" before they
take it? That just blows my mind (what little I have left!) My dogs pass
the test COLD TURKEY, period. That is like giving all the test answers to
the kids before they take the test! Sure they can pass it that way. It is
sure no indicator of the dogs NATURAL temperament. Mo
>
> I think MANY of them do. I know at least two of the three Georgia clubs
> offer the CGC as part of training class graduations. Don't know aboiut
> the Augusta club but considering the number of titled dogs in that club
> and their focus on training I would be surprised if they didn't have at
> least one CGC Evaluator in the club.
>
>
> And I don't know about where you live but MOST of the all breed training
> clubs in our area, and many private trainers, are now offering CGC classes
> specifically preparing dogs for the CGC test. Personally, I say GO FOR
> IT! If it gets owners out working their dogs and teaching them manners it
> is bebeficial for us all!!
>
>
> Suzanne
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Msg: #4 in digest
From: Stormy Hope <Stormy435@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Opinion on Accepting the TT instead of a TC
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:43:54 -0700
public start training, learning obedience, working with trainers and
groups. This is a good thing. Many people would not pass a CGC, not
because their dog in dangerous or vicious, but because they never
learned the rudiments of obedience training. I know that my dogs
would pass a CGC without further training, as would most of your dogs,
but for many, this is a new experience for them. To actually have
their dog walk quietly on lead, do simple obedience... they just have
never done it.
Many, I imagine, go on to more training.
Stormy
On Sep 3, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Mo Murkland wrote:
> Suzanne,
> I may be from the old school on this one! What kind of a
> indicator of
> temperament is the CGC or the TC when dogs have to be "prepared"
> before they
> take it? That just blows my mind (what little I have left!) My
> dogs pass
> the test COLD TURKEY, period. That is like giving all the test
> answers to
> the kids before they take the test! Sure they can pass it that way.
> It is
> sure no indicator of the dogs NATURAL temperament. Mo
>
>
>
>>
>> I think MANY of them do. I know at least two of the three Georgia
>> clubs
>> offer the CGC as part of training class graduations. Don't know
>> aboiut
>> the Augusta club but considering the number of titled dogs in that
>> club
>> and their focus on training I would be surprised if they didn't
>> have at
>> least one CGC Evaluator in the club.
>>
>>
>> And I don't know about where you live but MOST of the all breed
>> training
>> clubs in our area, and many private trainers, are now offering CGC
>> classes
>> specifically preparing dogs for the CGC test. Personally, I say GO
>> FOR
>> IT! If it gets owners out working their dogs and teaching them
>> manners it
>> is bebeficial for us all!!
>>
>>
>> Suzanne
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Msg: #5 in digest
From: Penny & Bill <ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: How 'bout them black and tans?
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:49:37 -0400
We've talked about every color except the most common--black and tan.
From what I know of him, I liked the "YO" dog--CH Pinebeach's Stars
and Stripes. I also liked Andretti, Polo, Jed, Vance, and Scoop. But
my favorite black and tan male is Rolf (GV Honky Tonk Man) and my
favorite black and tan bitch has always been the lovely CH Amber's
Flair.
Penny in NC
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Msg: #6 in digest
From: Stormy Hope <Stormy435@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Opinion on Accepting the TT instead of a TC
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:53:04 -0700
This was left off.....
I know we have several CGC trainers on this list, so I'm sure they
will post. But if clubs offer CGC training classes, it does help the
public
On Sep 3, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Stormy Hope wrote:
> public start training, learning obedience, working with trainers and
> groups. This is a good thing. Many people would not pass a CGC, not
> because their dog in dangerous or vicious, but because they never
> learned the rudiments of obedience training. I know that my dogs
> would pass a CGC without further training, as would most of your dogs,
> but for many, this is a new experience for them. To actually have
> their dog walk quietly on lead, do simple obedience... they just have
> never done it.
>
> Many, I imagine, go on to more training.
>
>
> Stormy
>
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Mo Murkland wrote:
>
>> Suzanne,
>> I may be from the old school on this one! What kind of a
>> indicator of
>> temperament is the CGC or the TC when dogs have to be "prepared"
>> before they
>> take it? That just blows my mind (what little I have left!) My
>> dogs pass
>> the test COLD TURKEY, period. That is like giving all the test
>> answers to
>> the kids before they take the test! Sure they can pass it that way.
>> It is
>> sure no indicator of the dogs NATURAL temperament. Mo
>
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Msg: #7 in digest
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 01:52:22 +0000 (UTC)
From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: German imports
I bought two half sisters this year from a German Breeder living in
Atlanta!...she was born in Germany and travels back and forth many times a
year, she has the sister to Danny V Wilhendorf....the price for one of those
pups is way out of my budget...spent too much money already on bad dogs from
AKC show breeders...and I am not faulting the sellers, the dogs just didn't
turn out....I plan to travel to Germany and the Czech Republic next
year...unless I change my mind and don't retire from school.....Ed
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From: ROBINHAUSGSD@xxxxxxx
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, September 3, 2010 3:53:42 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] German imports
Morton Goldfarb has a super import - who we bred to.
He is SchH 3 and an American CH.
Â
Suzanne Kinman has another nice import boy who I intend to breed to in the Â
future.
He is a SchH 3 and an International CH and has his CHIC - before they made Â
it lower requirements.
Â
They can both tell you more about their dogs.
Â
Pat Robinson
ROBINHAUS
Â
_www.ROBINHAUSGSD.com_ (http://www.ROBINHAUSGSD.com) Â
Â
From: Paula M. Cooke <pcooke212@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ Â SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Buying A German Import
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Â Friday, September 3, 2010, 1:24 AM
Instead of buying one, unproven  and sight unseen, have you considered
breeding
to Helen Gleason's  Navigator?  Or his grandsire, Nurmi?  I don't know what
you
are  looking for, but, both of these dogs are exceptional German dogs, Â
IMHO.
Paula
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