it's obvious that you have never worked in the publishing industry. it's equally obvious that this is a silly debate when there is no debate necessary. so, i will end it. diane Diane Silver-Strasser Silstra German Shepherds _Skatiebug'z_ (http://skatiebugz.shutterfly.com/) The online store for everything German Shepherd and then some! _http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com_ (http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com/) Skater's Blog In a message dated 8/6/2010 8:06:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, culzeans1@xxxxxxx writes: "i'm having a hard time understanding what is so difficult about the concept of ads vs. free pages. do you all understand what it costs do create a publication? make it simple - the more paid pages, the more free pages. you want more articles, etc., send in more ads. susan has NO control over how many ads are submitted and can only work with what she gets. it's not about "rules and regulations", it's sensible publishing." You are making it about money, not me. You want more ads to pay for more articles. If "free" content is directly related to how many paid ads you get, well to me that is about not only what I pay for my membership but how it is used. How is the Review paid for? Sensible publishing is making the magazine work for all not paid vs free. Balance is about what works for all of us. If you continue to make the performance people feel unequal to conformation, the Review loses not them. And it is cost prohibitive for them to place ads, that is what they are saying, so we need to listen and adapt. the "meat" of the Review should be about the whole not just one venue, if not it will disappear. I don't care who has control of what.....the issue is "is the Review viable for the whole of the membership" That is not complicated. You are complicating it by saying if the performance people don't send in more ads, there won't be any articles for them. One should not have anything to do with the other is what I am saying. Our dogs do much more than conformation, our magazine, that promotes our breed, should reflect that, period. It should never be free vs paid. Paid should always come out at the bottom, educational and informative should be at the top And our board should make it so. After all without the membership there is no need for a board or a magazine. Now that is a simple concept. Pam -----Original Message----- From: Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx To: culzeans1@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, Aug 6, 2010 9:22 am Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V4 #1426 1. no one, including myself, said that the Review was a "profit making venture." it's always nice to make a profit but that is not the purpose. but it is not "geared" toward losing money either. "sensible publishing" means BALANCE ... paid pages VS free pages. 2. we are talking about content ... i believe that was the subject ... not dues and how they are allocated. some are of the opinion that there should be more performance ads and more educational articles in the Review; i couldn't agree more. neither the editor nor the board of directors can provide the performance ads; that is up to those involved in those venues. if they choose not to do so, then the "meat" of the Review will remain conformation. there is no point in making a complicated issue out of a relatively simple concept. diane Diane Silver-Strasser Silstra German Shepherds _Skatiebug'z_ (http://skatiebugz.shutterfly.com/) The online store for everything German Shepherd and then some! _http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com_ (http://skatiebugz.blogspot.com/) Skater's Blog In a message dated 8/6/2010 7:02:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _culzeans1@xxxxxxxx (mailto:culzeans1@xxxxxxx) writes: If this magazine is a profit making venture and not geared toward servicing the membership, then maybe I am paying to much for my membership. I know that my other magazines I get for 25-35.00 a yr. If 3,000 people are paying 66.00 for our membership what percentage of my 66.00 is going to the review? how is that about sensible publishing? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================