In a message dated 3/3/2007 6:21:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, Showgsd- I agree but there are a lot of missing teeth out there right now. When people take the OH WELL attitude And keep on breeding into it and doubling up on it the breed will be headed for trouble. Years ago you could stand at ringside and see holes in the mouths of a lot of Dobes - But they got tuff and corrected the situation. Is a missing tooth better then a mega sure but I don't want either one here Sally www.embroiderybysally.com EXACTLY: WHEN WE OVERLOOK A SERIOUS PROBLEM CREEPING INTO THE BREED, THE TIME TO STOP IT IS WHEN IT STARTS, NOT WAITING UNTIL IT IS FULLY ENTRENCHED IN ALL THE POPULAR BLOODLINES...THEN UNLESS ONE TRIES A COMPLETE OUTCROSS THERE ISN'T ANY WAY OUT, AS ALL THE POPULAR SHOW LINES ARE COMPROMISED.. THAT IS NOT DIFFICULT TO DO, WITH EVEN ONE EXTREMELY POPULAR STUD DOG WHO IS BRED TO MANY QUALITY FEMALES AND HIS PROGENY ARE THEN BRED: AND SO AND SO ON... EVEN MORE SERIOUS ARE THE BITE PROBLEMS, IN PARTICULAR THE WRY MOUTHS.. THESE ARE PROBLEMS THAT AFFECT THE WAY A DOG CAN EAT AND CHEW IT'S FOOD.. AND EVENTUALLY CAN AFFECT IT'S HEALTH...SO, IT IS NOT SIMPLY A COSMETIC PROBLEM...THAT AFFECTS THE DOG'S SHOW CAREER AND BREEDING PROGRAM. WE HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE AND WE ALL SOON RECOGNIZE THE MAJOR LINE OR LINES IT COMES FROM ., BUT IF THOSE LINES ARE PRODUCING WINNERS, THEN THAT IS OFTEN OVER-LOOKED AS BEING INSIGNIFICANT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS... NOT SO...JMO... . FOR INSTANCE, A SHEPHERD WHO IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A SCHUTZHUND TITLE, CANNOT COMPETE ON THE SLEEVE WITH A GRIP THAT IS COMPROMISED BY MISSING TEETH....OR AN IMPERFECT BITE... THAT ONE REQUIREMENT ELIMINATES THEIR DENTITION PROBLEMS. BUT , AS LONG AS OUR JUDGES LET IT SLIDE BY, A NYTHING FROM A MISSING NUMBER ONE PREMOLAR TO SEVERAL, TO OTHER TEETH, ETC. AND BITES THAT ARE OFF, EVEN LEVEL, WHICH WILL BE WORN BY AGE, ARE NOT DOING THE BREED ANY GOOD. THE TIME FOR ALL JUDGES TO MAKE A STAND, AND REALLY PENALIZE A POTENTIALLY SERIOUS PROBLEM, IS IN THE BEGINNING... THAT REQUIRES A SOMETIMES STERNER LOOK AT A PROBLEM THAN IS REQUIRED VIA THE STANDARD... MANY MOONS AGO, WE USED TO HAVE INFORMAL GATHERINGS WHERE JUDGES COULD DISCUSS THE BREED AMONG THEMSELVES AND AGREE TO STEP DOWN HEAVY ON A PARTICULAR FAULT THAT WAS BECOMING OVERLY PREVALENT IN THE BREED..IN A PARTICULAR PART OF THE COUNTRY, OR NATIONWIDE...AND NIP IT IN THE BUD, SO TO SPEAK... IF IT CAN'T WIN IN THE SHOW RING, THE BREEDERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY SELECT AGAINEST SUCH A FAULT, AND THEREFOR KEEP IT AT A MINIMUM PROBLEM IN THE BREED. IT FALLS INTO THE JUDGES HANDS TO MAKE CHANGES. AS FAR AS DENTITION GOES... THERE ARE MANY GURU ORTHODONISTS PRACTICING TODAY, WHO CAN CHANGE THE MOUTH OF A DOG AND ADD A MISSING TOOTH OR TWO... SO, SOMETIMES WHAT YOU SEE, ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU BREED TO SOME DOGS. A TERRIBLE PRACTICE!! JMO BARB WILLIAMS ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================