Both these statements by Sally and Barbara are so true. It can't be "spoon-fed" Our younger people are so used to having Instant information on demand, with instant gratification, and it just doesn't work that way.You have to WANT to dig out the info,because you love the breed and really desire to know everything about it and everything connected to it. You have to be a nutty animal lover to begin with--otherwise you'll never survive the disappointments,and heartbreaks that go along with this sport. All of us "oldsters" started with no help,no mentors close by.. I've said before there was only one other GSD dog person in Minn. I had to reach out to Longworth in Mich,and Ed LeCouq in Iowa . We had very few dog shows 50 years ago. I had to start my own club(GSDC of Mpls& St Paul) And Barbara probably had it even tougher--living in Hawaii. Helen Miller Fisher message dated 12/17/2006 1:04:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, Showgsd- Sally <sally@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: No one GOT me to play the game- I played the game because I wanted to.- They have to want - If people have to be spoon fed and led by the hand then maybe they need to play another game- We all had heart breaks as beginners. But first and foremost you gotta want it and stick with it till you get what you want. sally I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO BE BORN WITH A LOVE FOR THEM, OR IT DOESN'T WORK AND IF IT DOES, IT DOESN'T LAST LONG.. MY CHILDREN ARE PERFECT EXAMPLES... THEY DIDN'T INHERIT MY PASSION AND ALWAYS CONSIDERED MY SHEPHERDS , AS 'MOM'S FOLLY'...JMO BARB ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================