[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V3 #3481

  • From: "Melissa" <melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:14:43 -0500

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  In a message dated 12/10/2006 5:10:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, 




    please stop typing in all caps ...even all lower case is better then all 
    caps

    Melissa
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    Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:05 PM
    Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V3 #3481


    >In a message dated 12/9/2006 9:43:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, Showgsd-
    >------------------------------
    >Msg: #4 in digest
    >From: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>
    >Subject: Handlers handle Cartels
    >Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 09:37:09 -0800
    >
    >Ann &Christine have just touched the tip of the iceberg........<G>
    >We have watched this go on over the years, more so now as many dogs don't
    >even live with the
    >owners. The handlers making the decisions for bitch owners by pushing the
    >stud they are
    >promoting......and then they have progeny to handle into the next 
    >generation,
    >owner has many
    >Champions and we have yet another Cartel bloodline........ <G>
    >
    >It can "appear" successful on paper because the handler takes the progeny 
    >and
    >finishes almost
    >all of them......keeps the handler busy with show prospects...... and 
    >owners
    >with Champions.
    >The problem of course is how much real good is this doing the Breed?
    >Maybe some...maybe none..........?
    >Stud gets more breedings, progeny get more show homes, progeny get more
    >Championships
    >handler has more clients and everybody is very very happy.......for a 
    >couple
    >of generations....<G>
    >I guess it works for most......but where is the sincere knowledge and
    >planning coming in for the
    >real improvement of the Breed and the lines........where is the need to
    >learn?
    >What if stud is producing missing teeth, or ring tails or bad backs or
    >several health issues or
    >real problems with the rear and in need of constant chiropractic care and
    >then we paint ourself
    >into a corner with no where to go without proliferating the problems?
    >But hey.......who cares.....we have an ROM in 10 litters and multiple
    >Champion litters. <G>
    >Handler has his clients buy the pups .....Handler just goes to the same
    >judges that gives them
    >an "edge"....and WALLA 15 pts....quick ROM on both sides.....everybody is
    >happy...La la la la la
    >
    >Not a problem .....IF it is the right stud for the right bitch.....but 
    >EVERY
    >CLIENT.... EVERY BITCH???
    >
    >In time, will we really have "Breeders" .......or just clients with 
    >handlers
    >and 'go to' judges........??
    >JMO
    >Carolyn .marhaven@xxxxxxx
    >www.marhaven.com
    >From: hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    >
    >I am in TOTAL agreement with Ann on this one.Most( anymore) don't pick 
    >their
    >own dogs..handlers
    >push the dog they are handling and have in residence..they get a portion 
    >of
    >the stud fee..in nearly
    >all cases, so it is a double whammy..the get board money..plus stud fee
    >money. I absolutely have
    >no problem with getting a cut of the money, as managing a bitch is hard 
    >work(
    >despite the fact that
    >one time we were told that "stud dog owners just sit back and collect the
    >money..this person
    >NEVER managed a high profile stud dog!!)..nor do I have a problem with a
    >handler promoting
    >a dog..he should, that is part of what he is getting paid for!..HOWEVER. 
    >the
    >breeder SHOULD
    >be able to discern if the dog is right for the bitch or not..despite what 
    >the
    >handler might say.
    >Over the years I have had access to different dogs in residence with our
    >handler, but that never
    >affected my breeding choices. some went on to have great show careers. 
    >Wasn't
    >that I didn't
    >like the dogs "on the hoof" but just felt they weren't compatible with our
    >breeding program,
    >I don't pick my dogs on 'critiques, either. Most critiques are 
    >benign..very
    >generalized and generic.
    >Christine
    >
    >
    >>From: ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
    >>>I think many people make their breeding decisions on whoever their
    >handler is standing or pushing at the time., whether it is a good breeding
    >for their bitch or not. JMO. Ann
    >
    >I HAVE AN ARTICLE COMING OUT IN THE GSD QUARTERLY, WINTER ISSUE YOU 
    >MIGHT
    >ENJOY READING... AS IT FULLY AGREES WITH YOUR POSTS.. TITLED ''THE 
    >INFLUENCE
    >OF PRO HANDLERS ON THE GS BREED.'
    >IT ADDRESSES THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR OF PROMOTING A STUD DOG OR TWO , 
    >AND
    >THAT IS " THE CONTROLLING OF THE GENE POOL"..JMO BARB WILLIAMS
    >

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  I AM NOT GOING TO STOP PRINTING IN ALL CAPS...BECAUSE I MUST SIT A BIT AWAY 
FROM THE COMPUTER DUE TO A SHOULDER PROBLEM, AND THAT IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN 
TYPE COMFORTABLY  ANS SEE THE SMALL SCREEN.. .. NOW, IF THAT BOTHER'S YOU SO 
MUCH, DO NOT READ MY  POSTS.. IF EVERYONE ELSE FEELS THE SAME, I SHALL  NO 
LONGER POST..

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     PLUS THE FACT YOU SHALL AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER COME TO FACE  TO FACE WITH 
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ONES, WHO ARE STILL TRYING TO HELP THE 'NEWBIES' LIKE YOU, DO RESORT TO METHODS 
OF COMMUNICATION WHICH MAY BE PAINFUL TO YOU, BUT STILL APPRECIATED BY OTHERS 
WHICH  STILL  RESPOND POSITIVELY TO MY POSTS...
  IN OTHER WORDS, IN THE NAME OF THE SAGE, 'AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON..'   
BARB WILLIAMS.

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