In a message dated 11/25/2006 8:44:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx writes: Lance didn't have extreme motion.,.. He also had a less than perfect topline, and I have video's to prove it... He just had some more rear angulation from his Dam's side, than was the norm for the day and everyone jumped on it...I was there... I know..and others who were there will tell you the same.. .Troll vom Richterbach was lacking in forequarter to start with and that is a whole different ballgame..Let's get the History straight... or don't talk Troll revolutionized the breed in this country mostly through his Grandson Lance of Fran-jo Lance had ONLY one glaring fault. I didn't breed him. And I was there too. Fred Migliore ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================