I was, too. I really meant the rear...the demand for the extreme rear came after Lance...and the extreme sidegait came after that. I made no reference to anyone's topline, or to any sire or dam...wherever it came from made no difference, because the desire to have it came with him. The comment I made had to do with uniformity within a breed, in reference to someone saying all Goldens look so similar. P Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx wrote: >In a message dated 11/25/2006 2:13:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, Showgsd- >Msg: #1 in digest >Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:30:07 -0500 >From: Peggy <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> >Subject: Re: Fw: Your Lyin' eyes.... breed type vs style >Kay is right...someone mentioned how uniform Goldens are, for example. >Well, yes, they are...mostly due to one dog who did a lot of winning > > > >>a few decades ago...and for some reason, everyone in the breed wanted >>their dogs to look like him...and they sort of do. another thing the >>breed >>got, along with the uniform look, was the uniform lack of prosternum >>(that's forechest) and a short, straight upper arm.......... >>and now, they have no place to go to get those things back. It's so >>bad in the breed that almost no one will admit that these things are gone >>forever...and you should see what they accept as an example of an >>excellent front. >>The GSD nearly went that way after Lance...everyone wanted, and >>most still want, that extreme motion...and the rear that went with it... >>but thanks to the LACK of uniformity in style, the breeders were, for >>the most part, able to retain the more extreme rear and most of the >>motion, >>while not allowing the entire breed to become crippled, which non-GSD >>people said it was. >>Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. But cookie cutter >>dogs is not the way to go...not in any breed, and certainly not in >>German Shepherds. >>Peggy >> >> >> > > Lance didn't have extreme motion.,.. He also had a less than perfect >topline, and I have video's to prove it... He just had some more rear >angulation from >his Dam's side, than was the norm for the day and everyone jumped on it...I >was there... I know..and others who were there will tell you the same.. > .Troll vom Richterbach was lacking in forequarter to start with and that >is a whole different ballgame..Let's get the History straight... or don't >talk >about it.. barb williams > > >============================================================================ >POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original >author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind >are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the >Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > >ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY >MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS >PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY >FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE >PROSECUTED. > >For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues >============================================================================ > > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================