In a message dated 7/16/2006 10:14:07 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx writes: "Gun -sureness testing is only part of the package that tests a dogs overall suitability for utility. If hip certification, endurance, working temperament, and working ability are also not tested, then you have succeeded in weeding out dogs with only one defect. The rest remain. " ------ This is the part that concerns me about this whole proposal. Even for just temperament, you're only focusing on one part of the TT. The dog that's fine with gunfire, may still freak out over other parts of the PC TT. Are there any figures on what percentage of dogs fail which part(s) of the test? Does every dog that passes the gun shot test, do fine with the umbrella, weird and friendly strangers, unusual footing, etc, tests as well? I guess I don't see how including one part of the PC Temperament Test in the national is superior to the title obtained from passing the full test. The dogs I've had that didn't have temperaments I considered ideal, have never had problems with fireworks or thunder, or seemed overly concerned when we used to get pheasant hunters in the fields behind mine. I agree a dog that freaks out over loud noises is a problem, but I'm not convinced that a gunshot test, by itself, proves a dog has a sound temperament. Whether it's implemented or not doesn't bother me, but I can't say I'd be at all impressed by it. Janice ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================