Sorry, Sarah, it doesn't work that way. I remember having someone call about
Mechanical Bull, asking about three problems that may have been in his line..
After thirteen litters I told them he hadn't produced any of the three problems
. They bred to him and got all three . It takes two and you never know what may
pop up out of different combinations or even full sisters.
Ann www.edangsd.com Home of AOE Am Can Ch GV KOBE RN,BN,CD,TC,CGC,TDI,CHIC,ROM,
AOE Sel Ex Ch Gilley RN, TC, ROM , AOE Sel Ex Ch Maxwell RN, TC, and Sel Ch
MmmMmm Good, #1 dam Muggles, Breeder-owner 0f 106 champions and 26 ROMs. Proud
receipient of Lloyd Brackett Award
On Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:55 PM, "edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx"
<edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Honesty? Transparency?..... In the DOG WORLD?.....Sarah, is marijuana legal in
your state? FB
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From: gsdworkingline@xxxxxxxxx
To: midwall@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: freelist
Sent: September 10, 2015 at 12:42 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #908
Thank you, Michelle. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.
I am not worried about the dogs showing...I am worried about the dogs that
never make it to the show ring....dogs whose pasterns never come up.
Here is the thing: As someone new to the Show world (not new to GSD), I just
want transparency.
I want breeders to OPENLY say...listen, my lines have produced this or that. Be
specific. These dogs have produced this when bred together.
I remember when SCID first came out with Arabian horses. Everyone tested but
nobody shared the results. I'll never forget when Versace's owner posted that
he was a SCID carrier. That information made all the difference in the world.
He was the best stallion in the entire country at the time. The owners thought
it would ruin his stud career but had enough integrity to not care and share
the results. An amazing thing happened. We EDUCATED ourselves as breeders. We
tested our horses. We did not throw carriers out of the breeding pool but made
sure to never breed carrier to carrier. We had an open exchange of information
and what bloodlines produced what faults. Only horses actively having the
condition were removed from the breeding pool. He went on to be a leading sire
in the country for many more years and garnished even more breedings based on
the honesty and integrity of his owners.
We learned not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We learned that as
long as we were open and honest with all genetic faults and which bloodlines
produce them we were able to avoid duplicating the traits while still keeping
horses in the breeding pool. It's just about honesty and transparency.
Whether it is a buyer buying a puppy who does not have the knowledge of certain
genetic mixes that have produce genetic faults; Or, someone breeding to a dog
that does not know of genetic fault that has been produced...secrecy will not
be beneficial.
To just say, yeah...I have had puppies who are down at the pasterns and they
never came up isn't enough for me. That is a lackadaisical approach. I think we
should say this combination of bloodlines produced puppies whose pasterns never
came up.
I feel that we must be transparent, open, and honest about all genetic
occurrences that pop up and which specific bloodlines produce them. That way,
we can make wise decisions to not mix certain lines so we do not duplicate
those genetic traits. I am guessing...like most genetics....the problems that
plague our breed will only show up recessively if both parents share the trait
somewhere and their lineage. We just need to communicate with each other and an
honest, nonjudgmental, way to ensure the betterment of our breed. No secrecy.
No accepting that dogs may be produced with serious faults such as pasterns
that never come up without researching bloodlines and sharing knowledge among
ourselves.
Just my two cents....I respect your opinion whether I agree or not.
Sarah Minsk-EduardoVon Whitehall German Shepherds
"Preserving the classic
German Shepherd Dog"Member of GSDCA and Signer of Breeders Code of Ethics
On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Michelle Wallis <midwall@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sarah,
I have been to more shows than I can recall... And you generally can't see a
puppy move when they are down in Pasterns. I don't know anyone who would be
showing a puppy that was down. None of us would put them through extra stress.
Down pasterns are not the end of the world. It's a growing pains phase and
most out grow it quickly. And many a pup that was down went on to compete in
working events. There are issues much worse to worry about - that don't remedy
themselves.
Your opinions are based on your imagination and not facts. None of us want any
of our puppies to have issues, but it happens. You are being naive if you think
the other venues don't have to address this issue.
Michelle Wallis
midwall@xxxxxxxxxxx
