[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #710
- From: Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: santanagsd1954@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:56:27 -0700 (PDT)
I agree here also. Genetics. Some bloodlines have more problems than others.
The gene is lurking in every breeding whether American or German.
We can't change that now just deal with it honestly and don't breed into it if
possible.
Joan
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From: Barbara Lee WILLIAMS <santanagsd1954@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:39:50 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #710
Once you ALL , Accept the Fact, that it is, " ALL GENETICS" .
'ALL', MEANING EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MENTAL AND PHYSICAL, THEN, AND
ONLY THEN, CAN WE GET ON WITH IMPROVING THE BREED AND ERADICATING MANY OF THE
TERRIBLE HEALTH ISSUES..
BUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND UNTIL, AND IF EVER, and 'IF' ( BIG IF) you
ALL EVER accept that, then the Breed is lost in a tangled Jungle while you
are hacking your way out over the bodies of those you excuse, from dying, that
you have brought into this World, blaming THEIR DEMISE, EARLY OR LATE, ON
EVERYTHING , except the ONE THING that is RESPONSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GENETICS!!!!!!!!!!!
One has to look NO further than what killed off those behind the DOOMED
ONES. the 1ST AND 2ND AND 3RD AND 4TH,GENERATIONS,etc.. , THE COMPROMISED
SIRES AND DAMS AND GRAND-PARENTS, ETC. ON BACK......
The EXTREME IMPORTANCE OF THE SIBLINGS OF ALL...
ALL THE GENERATIONS BEHIND THE ONES WE LAMENT...
THE ANSWERS ARE ACTUALLY ALL BEFORE US .
VERY SIMPLY...
"LIKE TENDS TO PRODUCE LIKE!!!!!!!!!"
'IT IS ALL GENETICS!!!!!!!!' .JMO BARB WILLIAMS.
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Subject: showgsd-l Digest V2 #710
showgsd-l Digest Sat, 15 Mar 2008 Volume: 02 Issue: 710
In This Issue:
#1: From: MORGAN LEWIS
<shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: selling puppies
#2: From: Dawn Restuccia <windwych@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:windwych@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: URGENT!!!!!
#3: From: Cinosam GSD <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: selling puppies
#4: From: Ann Mariano
<brittaleahnasa@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:brittaleahnasa@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: selling puppies
#5: From: Wasatchgld@xxxxxxx<mailto:Wasatchgld@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: What ever happened to our dog's posternum?
#6: From: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx<mailto:Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Bloat and our dog's posternum?
#7: From: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx<mailto:Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Is Bloat and Torsion sex related?
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Msg: #1 in digest
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:51:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: MORGAN LEWIS
<shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:shadowland22000@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: selling puppies
I have rarely had good luck with the major paper (AJC). Best method I have
found in word of mouth, and referals. Being a member of an obedience class or
herding group also helps. Morgan
Cinosam GSD <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: A
friend of mine has four 15 week old puppies that she held onto...all of them
with show potential. She really wanted to place a couple and finally broke down
and put an ad in the paper ( a big city paper) this past weekend. She did not
get a single phone call.
Cindy
Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx<mailto:Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> wrote:
In a message dated 3/14/2008 10:30:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
dan-ann@xxxxxxxx<mailto:dan-ann@xxxxxxxx> writes:
I am interested in know with today's economy if any one is concerned about
being able to place their puppies? I have not bred in a few years but still
get calls- and refer them on. But in about the last 4 months there has been
basically no calls - Just wondered what other areas are like
sally
Have had 3 calls in the past 2 months. One person did not want to pay more
than $200...I suggested rescue. The others I referred...........
Molly
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Msg: #2 in digest
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:52:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dawn Restuccia <windwych@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:windwych@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: URGENT!!!!!
Could Carlos Navarro or Christine Grainger contact me immediatley!!
617 538 4393!!!!!
Dawn Restuccia
Dawn Restuccia, Pres.
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Msg: #3 in digest
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:06:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cinosam GSD <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: selling puppies
Thanks. I was actually responding to Sally's question about whether puppy
sales are effecting the ecomomy though, not looking for criticism on how my
friend sells her puppies which normally is word of mouth, btw. However if you
want to tell me how it should be done, I will be happy to pass it along.
Cindy
Ann Mariano <brittaleahnasa@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:brittaleahnasa@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I think buyers are better educated today, and are more aware than ever the
newpaper is not the place buyers look for puppies.
Most buyers look online or contact their local vet or training school about
pups. Maybe she needs to reevaluate how she places pups?
Cinosam GSD wrote:
A friend of mine has four 15 week old puppies that she held onto...all of
them with show potential. She really wanted to place a couple and finally broke
down and put an ad in the paper ( a big city paper) this past weekend. She did
not get a single phone call.
Cindy
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Msg: #4 in digest
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:37:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ann Mariano <brittaleahnasa@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:brittaleahnasa@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: selling puppies
Hi.
I wasn't trying to criticize, but explained why some breeders may have to
start using different ways to place pups then prior. Word amouth is good, but
most breders need outside sorces especailly if they have a larger litter. Ten+
years ago, newspapers were the best route to go, now with the internet, online
is. I would advertise in a pay site (about 25-30 a month) such as
www.terrificpets.com<http://www.terrificpets.com/> , or many of the free
breeder sites out there. if she does a search online for "free breeder ad"
she can find sites which she can advertise online for free. My girlfriend
recently tried this after not being able to sell her last 3 pups in the paper,
and all were sold after 2 weeks of placing online ads.
Cinosam GSD <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Thanks. I was actually responding to Sally's question about whether puppy
sales are effecting the ecomomy though, not looking for criticism on how my
friend sells her puppies which normally is word of mouth, btw. However if you
want to tell me how it should be done, I will be happy to pass it along.
Cindy
Ann Marie
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Ch Fairway's Leah v Nadelwald TC ROM OFA
Ch Amari's Beware of Foxy Roxy CGC TC OFA
Amari's Elizabeth Taylor (Ch. pointed/Major R. @ 6 months)
Breeder/Owner of
R/Best in Futurity Ch Amari's Ava Gardner TC OFA
Ch Amari's Bandit of Broadcreek OFA (Multiple Group Placer)
Amari's Blissfull Jazz CGC TDI (Major pointed)
Amari's Cinderella von Hornberger (Ch. pointed)
Amari's Chances Are (Ch. pointed)
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Msg: #5 in digest
From: Wasatchgld@xxxxxxx<mailto:Wasatchgld@xxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:41:05 EDT
Subject: Re: What ever happened to our dog's posternum?
Stormy,
I don't see another post from you today, so I'm praying your Dreamer
came through the surgery and is recovering! Two weeks ago
I lost my four year old Cajun to bloat. If it had happened in the daytime,
my vet probably could have saved him, but it was late at night and the
only vet available was the er vet 20 miles away. We made the drive
in heavy fog, but we never even saw the vet - he was "unavailable"
with no info on when he would be there. I couldn't watch Cajun suffer
any longer, so I finally told them to euthanize him. He was my
mind reader - always knew what I wanted him to do. He was a
healthy dog, good weight, good bone and well muscled and was
NOT slab sided or barrel chested. Those who were RV'ing it at
the 2004 National may remember the big male pup I had with me;
that was Cajun. I still can't accept that he's gone.
Janice
In a message dated 3/14/2008 11:47:53 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
Stormy435@xxxxxxx<mailto:Stormy435@xxxxxxx> writes:
I'm glad you said "seldom", Gary. Because this is so new and so
overwhelming to me. Dreamer is groomed daily, rake and brush, he is
continually
exercised and walked. Is in great shape, sleeps by my bed, and has never
been away
from me since he was whelped, until I left him with my son to go to the
national for 5 days. He has a great diet, no parasites and healthy...and
is being
operated on for torsion as I write.
Stormy
In a message dated 3/14/08 10:29:20 PM,
gsd0110@xxxxxxx<mailto:gsd0110@xxxxxxx> writes:
> I have another thought to add to this too... and that is strong abdominal
> muscles... dogs that are well toned and healthy from a good diet and
plenty of
> exercise.... dogs that are kept parasite free and healthy... who are
groomed
> daily?(in my case?a rake run throught them on the table just before the
> walk).... dogs who live this way seldom bloat.....at least that is my
> experience....
>
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Msg: #6 in digest
From: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx<mailto:Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:46:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Bloat and our dog's posternum?
In a message dated 3/15/2008 12:21:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
dan-ann@xxxxxxxx<mailto:dan-ann@xxxxxxxx> writes:
Changing of the season, barometric pressure who knows but something causes
this grouping
Glad you mentioned this Sally. The Germans are very high on the amount of
stress cause when dogs are shedding, and to a point, I agree. The few I
have
had bloat have almost always been early spring....shed time.
In mentioning which gender, I lost 1 bitch to bloat and it was when I was
away for 2 weeks. She stressed when I was not around. Had a bitch bloat in
1974, she never torsioned, no surgery needed.
But have had more incidences with males, frequently when bitches have been
in season.
Molly
Trillia German Shepherds since 1972 ph 409-287-3940
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Msg: #7 in digest
From: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx<mailto:Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:50:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Is Bloat and Torsion sex related?
In a message dated 3/15/2008 2:01:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
rockannand@xxxxxxx<mailto:rockannand@xxxxxxx> writes:
I know that breeding
season is a difficult time for males and I'm especially careful to bring my
Boys in when a girl is in season. Girls always stay in the kennel and the
boys come into the house so they get a break from the whiff of them.
That's interesting. Over the years I have found when I separate they stress
more. If they are in the kennel and next to or close to the bitch (the
males I have used as stud) they are less upset. And a little Vicks on the
nose
helps too.
Molly
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