Well, I don't do much winning, and I do think there?is some poor judging out there, in all the breeds, but the question was would clustering help the smaller clubs and exhibitors. I personally think it would. I know it would help me, I could plan for a group of shows on one weekend and that is easier and more cost effective for me. I know the Monroe shows were a little different, but it afforded me a good look at my girl Saydee. 6 shows in one weekend, 2 were specialties and 4 all breed.??I now have a clearer picture of what I should or should not do with her and it didn't take me months to find out.? And it gave my handler for Saydee a good look at what she can and can't do. Where she should or should not be entered or even if we want to keep on showing her. I considered the whole 4 days a success. As a newbie, you work hard at not being kennel blind and I think clusters afford me that opportunity. I just like the idea of clusters, and if you don't like one or more of the ju dges don't enter, just like you would or wouldn't do?for a 2 day show.? I like the opinion of more judges in one place on one weekend. Pam Msg: #5 in digest From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Guys Stop With the Bashing Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:27:20 -0700 I love the way Gail Sprock worded it. We see it as "the cream will rise to the top".......<G> This started as a question about Clubs doubling up their shows for one weekend and I still believe it will benefit the Clubs and the Exibitors for time and money.....and the handlers as it frees up more weekends for them.....possibly more shows elsewhere if they choose. Though this conversation took a 'bend' to the quality of judging it also is a good point. Instead of driving TWO times to show under one judge each time on two different weekends......you actually might have three more to choose from. If not...don't enter under those....or don't go. BUT...........It STILL would have been the same slate of judges for those shows!!! NOTHING CHANGES THAT!! It's a moot point! The 4 show weekend does not change the judging slate the Clubs vote for!! We all have a list of judges we will not show to again for a variety of reasons. We all know judges we will drive a distance to exhibit under with the dog we are showing....and there are some we have never seen judge. Hopefully a Club puts a good slate of judges together no how matter how many shows are offered!! If the membership is voting without due consideration for their Club's success but their own bias no one has control over that. The four shows in one weekend don't CAUSE that..... anymore than they cause one dog to win every day........or a different dog to win every day. Those are judge decisions no matter how many shows Clubs puts on that weekend. Again....a moot point. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Elkins To: 'Zoa Rockenstein' ; jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxx ; 'gsd showlist' Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Guys Stop With the Bashing ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================