Congrats as well!! I'd also like to say congratulations to 3x Select Excellent Bill-Mar's Here Comes Trouble, ROM long-time owner/breeder Mary Ellen Loizides for Trouble's wonderful career. Unfortunately she was unable to see her boy at the Canadian Nationals due to a death in the family. I know she would have given anything to have been able to be there. Kathy Sawler> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:08:54 -0400> From: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: showgsd-l Digest V2 #2335> > showgsd-l Digest Wed, 17 Sep 2008 Volume: 02 Issue: 2335> > In This Issue:> #1: From: Debbie Smith <debcvt@xxxxxxxxx>> Subject: Re: CERF> #2: From: Gsdstyle@xxxxxxx> Subject: Canada Brags!> #3: From: DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: De-Barking> #4: From: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: De-Barking> #5: From: jmorehead <jmorehead@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Subject: On Fox TV Now> #6: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx> Subject: You asked> #7: From: "Maureen" <murk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Subject: Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #2332> #8: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx> Subject: sable to sable> #9: From: Zane Brooks <zanebgsd@xxxxxxxxx>> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L (no subject)> #10: From: Zane Brooks <zanebgsd@xxxxxxxxx>> Subject: sable to sable> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Msg: #1 in digest> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:24:05 -0700 (PDT)> From: Debbie Smith <debcvt@xxxxxxxxx>> Subject: Re: CERF> > I work forÂu boarded ophthalmologist. And Janice is absolutelyÂvorrect. A scratched cornea would not preventòiassing cerf. Cerf is only looking for hereditary eye problems. And unfortunately they can pass cerf younger-already have litters on the ground- prior to some diseases showing up.> êWebbie > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Janice Buchanan <wasatchgsd@xxxxxxxxx>> To: caretti1@xxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:55:52 PM> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: CERF> > Cyndi, That's only partly true ....> Cerf's are done yearly because congenital (hereditary) problems can appear> at any time in life.?For example, Pannus often doesn't show any indication> until a dog is several years old.?However, a scratch from an injury> doesn't stop a dog from gaining a Cerf.?I have a dog who passed a Cerf even> though the vet found severe internal scarring and told me he was nearly> blind.?He said he often finds that kind of damage in dogs who had bad cases> of Parvo or Coronavirus as young puppies.?I bought the dog at 17 months, so> I don't know if that was what happened.?However, the vet put all the> information on the Cerf form and told me that since there was nothing> inheritable there would be no problem passing.?He was right - my dog did> pass in spite of the damage.> > BTW - the breeder who sold me the dog may not have known he was nearly> blind;?the damage was not obvious until the vet looked at the dialated eyes> with a scope in a darkened room.> > Janice Buchanan, UT> > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:27 PM, <caretti1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't CERF have to be done yearly to be> > considered "valid"??.....I had an eye vet tell me that a dog could have> > normal eyes as far as heriditary problems, but if there was a "scratch" on> > the eye he wouldn't pass CERF.?The scratch could come from anything...ie a> > hunting dog runs through a field of brush, scratches his eye, and no longer> > will pass.....> > Cyndi> > www.carettigsd.com> >> >> > > ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2007.?All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author?AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org> ===========================================================================> > > > > ---------- --------------------> > Msg: #2 in digest> From: Gsdstyle@xxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:45:02 EDT> Subject: Canada Brags!> > Thank you Judge Dan Smith for awarding our Veteran Dog 3x Am Sel CH > Bill-Mar's Here Comes Trouble ROM 1st Place in the Veteran's Class at the Canadian > National. It is so hard to believe that Trouble is now 7 years old. He looked > so awesome at the show with Abbey Hathaway handling him in the classes to the > win and in Specials, where he made all but the final cut. Thank you Abbey for > the great job - as usual! > > The crowd support for our boy was so incredible. Thank you everyone! Trouble > truly didn't miss a step gaiting around the ring with his powerfully > balanced and outreaching gait. We think age has served him well, and we are so proud > to have a Veteran dog that represents the breed so well for longevity, breed > structure, excellent health, natural color, and strong character, both in > him and his ancestry.> > We also want to c ongratulate our friends Ron Peet, Jenn Somogyi, and Sera > Peet. Kiefernfels If Life Were Like That, co-owned by Donna Calabrese, looked > so beautiful at the Canadian National winning the 12-18 class and then > Winners Bitch guided by Georgie, and was still perfection under the hand of Linda > Bankhead in Specials where she earned a Select. Linda showed Trouble last year > at the American National where he looked just awesome and earned his third > Select. Linda but she did such a wonderful job with our boy, he looked > spectacular when she presented him to Ed Barritt. Look for a picture of Trouble and > Linda in the Review - coming soon!> > Pat> Sel CH Gus ROM; 3x Sel CH Trouble ROM; CH Maddy; CH Tia; CH Ben; CH Tarzan; > BOF Piper _www.gsdstyle.com_ (http://www.gsdstyle.com/) and check out photos > at _www.snowheronstudios.com_ (http://www.snowheronstudios.com/) > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall tren ds and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)> > > > ------------------------------> > Msg: #3 in digest> From: DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:56:10 EDT> Subject: Re: De-Barking> > In a message dated 9/17/2008 5:08:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > skozub@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:> I could never debark a dog. I realize that it is usually quite safe, > however, a friend> had the number 2 Norwegian Elkhound in the country - she took him in to be > debarked> & he died a few hours later (bled to death).> > I just could not take that (slight) chance.> > > > > I have also heard that if they get hung up or injured sometimes they are > unable to let you know. I have often thought of debarking but have never taken > that step. However, I understand why people do so mixed emotions on this, it > is defiantly a personal choice. > > Deb> > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the la test fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)> > > > ------------------------------> > Msg: #4 in digest> From: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:15:27 EDT> Subject: Re: De-Barking> > This is true...they bark and can scream, but it is not audible if you are > far away from the dog. They can also get hung up and injured when you are not > home... I have never had an emergency with my debarked dogs, but I was turned > into AC over barking when developments moved right next door to me. There > was absolutely no recourse, it was debark, or lose my dogs. I debarked, and then > I moved. Took 18 months to sell, and find a new home. The stress level was > unbelievable until I had 4 dogs debarked. They were the dreaded kennel dogs, > no place to keep them except in a kennel. There were 5 house dogs. I lost my > husband, found out I had cancer, and then lost my mom, all within 6 months. As > I said, my stress l evel was off the charts. The debarking was a tremendous > relief, the dogs did not miss a beat, it appeared to be totally harmless. One > of my housedogs was debarked by her previous owner, who subsequently died, > (the owner, not the dog) (I was the breeder), and when I got her back, she was > 4 years old. She is almost 10 now, she is extremely healthy, and barks up a > storm, but I can stand it, as she just has a whisper. Has not harmed her a > bit, and has not harmed the others. I sold some who were debarked, and the new > owners are delighted, as they can hear them, (as I can), but neighbors cannot. > Each person to his own decision making concerning dogs, (and everything > else, LOL), but I am here to tell you that for me it has been a blessing, and a > big relief to the dogs..they are not in any trouble now, even if they bark. > They seem totally unaware of their lack of a normal bark. I will say I had one > bitch that seemed to have trouble breathing, she was redone, and the problem > disappeared. Shalom, Syd> > > In a message dated 9/17/2008 5:58:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx writes:> > I have also heard that if they get hung up or injured sometimes they are > unable to let you know. I have often thought of debarking but have never > taken > that step. However, I understand why people do so mixed emotions on this, > it > is defiantly a personal choice. > > Deb> > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)> > > > ------------------------------> > Msg: #5 in digest> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:19:41 -0500> From: jmorehead <jmorehead@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Subject: On Fox TV Now> > On Fox TV tonight> TV Series "Bones" with Cesar Millan (Dog Whisperer) helping FBI in dog > fighting and murder case.> Many large breeds involved..............including GSDs.> Unfortun ately, I missed all but the end.> Maybe, it's on now in some other time zones.> Joan Morehead> Shreveport, LA> > > > > ------------------------------> > Msg: #6 in digest> From: ELG440@xxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:50:18 EDT> Subject: You asked> > Who knows? I was watching the swim suit competition. I am into styles.> > Evan > Asgard German Shepherds > http://www.asgardgsd.com/> Where Type Movement and Temperament come together > > > In a message dated 9/16/2008 7:41:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Kmgraphic2 > writes:> > > Didn't you just love what Ms. Sri Lanka said this year?> > > > > > ok, evan - now i'm curious. what did ms. sri lanka say?> > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)> > > > ------------------------------> > Msg: #7 in digest> From: "Maureen" <murk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Subject: Re: showgsd-l D igest V2 #2332> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:54:14 -0500> > > Hey Y'all,> I got me a super soaker.........one that shoots a gazillion feet! I tell > them to HUSH once.........and I cock that baby. IF they bark again.........I > go out shooting, MAKE MY DAY! If yours don't mind the water, add a little > lemon juice or apple cider vinegar. Mo> > Maybe Ginger, but I would certainly try training first. This is one dog > > not a group like what you deal with. Training is less invasive than any > > surgery. I think the dog is a living being and to assume they don't know > > the difference is kind of mean and doesn't give them the credit they > > deserve. I am not saying one way or the other what to do, but I too have > > known many shelties and collies debarked and by the look on their face and > > the sound they make, it does bother them. And I know shelties and collies > > that it never bothered. And I have known sheltie breeders who train their > > dogs from the get go and > > > - -----------------------------> > Msg: #8 in digest> From: ELG440@xxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:54:34 EDT> Subject: sable to sable> > Of course I didn't write that. If both sable parents carries the black and > tan gene, it is possible to get all black and tans, who then do not carry the > sable gene. It isn't likely, but it could happen.> > That's my story and I am sticking to it.> > Evan > Asgard German Shepherds > http://www.asgardgsd.com/> Where Type Movement and Temperament come together > > > In a message dated 9/17/2008 4:34:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx writes:> > In a message dated 9/16/2008 9:14:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > ELG440@xxxxxxx writes:> If you breed sable to sable you will get all sables. > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)> > > > ------------------ ------------> > Msg: #9 in digest> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:07:41 -0700 (PDT)> From: Zane Brooks <zanebgsd@xxxxxxxxx>> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L (no subject)> > The Moores of Jalamor Shepherds bred two sables. In that litter there was sables and black and tans.> > ?> Very few or little is needed to make a happy life.?> Zane Brooks Best Junior Handler GSDCA nationals, ST. Louis 2006> And now the newest PRO....> > > > > ------------------------------> > Msg: #10 in digest> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:08:00 -0700 (PDT)> From: Zane Brooks <zanebgsd@xxxxxxxxx>> Subject: sable to sable> > The Moores of Jalamor Shepherds bred two sables. In that litter there was sables and black and tans.> > ?> Very few or little is needed to make a happy life.?> Zane Brooks Best Junior Handler GSDCA nationals, ST. Louis 2006> And now the newest PRO....> > > > > ------------------------------> > End of showgsd-l Digest V2 #2335> ********************************> _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together¡Xat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. 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