I use handlers as well, but I do not for one moment think that the "jockey" is the reason my dog wins or loses. IT is all about the dog. Do you really believe that a "star" would not go anywhere because "a fat tub of goo male owner or a rich blue haired old lady" was taking it in the ring? Sorry I just can't agree Pam +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Get in the middle of the ring and you will be amazed at what you see. More then once I have seen this really nice dog being killed by their owner handler- You really have a hard time putting up the nice dog who is putzing around , won't set up - doesn't animate all because goo male or blue haired lady who think they are good handlers navigating the ring with a dog Sally www.embroiderybysally.org new designs ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================