In a message dated 6/6/2005 1:26:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx) writes: I'm in the market for a vehicle. I want a mini van or some sort of a spacious hatchback that is really good on gas and of course has to have a good record for safety and maintenance. And can fit 2 dogs in crates and one that refuses a crate. :-)) Replies privately of course. Thanks!! We are on our 2nd GM minivan (ours have been Oldsmobile Silhouettes, but I believe they may now be manufactured under a different name). The first one went 300,000 miles and then my brother-in-law sold it to some migrant workers while we were in Germany (with our blessing). Our current one has 139,000 on it. We've had no major problems with either van. I LOVE the seat configuration in them and get 22-26 mpg on the highway (depending on how fast I drive!!). In the back, you can fit a 400 & a 500 side by side. You can also fit two more crates in the "middle" with the center seats out. My family transports 4 dogs, 4 people, and one guinea pig (:-) in her cage) in ours (not all of the dogs are crated and granted, only 2 of the dogs are GSDs, but one is a Golden and the other one is a border collie). Julie Degen ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================