[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V2 #1428
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- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:33:55 EDT
In a message dated 6/6/2008 2:34:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
showgsd-l Digest Fri, 06 Jun 2008 Volume: 02 Issue: 1428
In This Issue:
#1: From: Lacy340@xxxxxxx
Subject: Worming
#2: From: DestinoGS1@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
#3: From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Long Coat vs Dry Coat
#4: From: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Worming
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Msg: #1 in digest
From: Lacy340@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:38:37 EDT
Subject: Worming
when do you start worming pups. Mine are 4 weeks old and on Formula, Raw
hamburger and rice cereal and a little water to wash it down.
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Msg: #2 in digest
From: DestinoGS1@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:56:54 EDT
Subject: Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
I don't understand what the problem is. If the SV does accept the "stock
coat" now into the system, whats' the big deal? The coat gene is very
simple
and easy to control in a breeding program. The worst problem is that
usually
the best structured puppy in the litter is the long coat and most judges
will
not award it the points. Pick your best puppy based on structure, if it is
a long coat just breed her to a male that does not carry the gene for the
long coats.
JMO,
Mary
In a message dated 6/5/2008 3:07:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Carolyn & Norma No L, The long *stock* coat is not a problem as the outer
coat is *not* silky. It is the same coarse texture as that found on a
normal coated dog. Also, a dog with a stock coat does have an undercoat.
This is the definition of a stock coat.
I'm betting most people on this list have not come in contact with a true
long stock-coated dog. Having owned German & German crosses for a long
time, I've known many such dogs and their hardiness has been "field tested."
In case you guys missed my earlier post on this subject, I've included it
below. BTW, I'm *not* advocating the approval of the true long coat for
just the reasons Carolyn mentioned. Anyhow, here's what I wrote in that
post...
I wish the long stock coat would be accepted by our Standard and not
considered a fault. I have owned both the true long coat, i.e. soft, silky
outer coat & no undercoat and the long stock coat. The long stock coat is
exactly like the standard coat - coarse outer coat with the typical
undercoat. Only longer.
My dog with the true long coat had skin problems. He was harder to dry,
but
the main problem was that silky outer coat. It seemed to pick up dust like
one of those magnetic dust mops, and everything got tangled up in his coat.
Burrs, leaves, twigs, you name it! Burrs were the worse because they had
to
be cut out. We live in the woods, so I don't ever want to own another true
long coat.
My long stock coat experienced none of these problems, and would have no
trouble doing field work. Plus, a dog with a long stock coat is often
*very* pleasing to the eye.
Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member
Allemande German Shepherd Dogs
Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gsdramey@xxxxxxx>; <grnram415@xxxxxxx>; <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>;
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:04 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
Everything is minor until you have a problem with it. <G>
Try getting the velcro stickers or fox tails out of a silky coat when
you've had it out herding or working in a field or in Search and Rescue
dog in a disaster setting.
Also try drying and getting out the snow balls that has frozen to the hair
of an avalance dog. Let a blind person try to deal with any of it.
Incorrect coats do not repel water but the harsh double coat will. Two
shakes and they're almost dry....<G>
It's all a fault for a reason is all I'm saying. It's a Standard for a
working,
herding, service dog. It's really NOT about personal taste.
The only one I can't see a reason for other than appearances is the light
eye........?
I love our Standard and our Breed...... { :o)
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Norma Ramey
To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; grnram415@xxxxxxx ; denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx ;
showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 6:01 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
Carolyn has brought up some goodies - but - the differences (small IMHO)
in
the actual
coat coarseness, fine silkiness, length, etc. really are minor
differences.
Like so many
other things, individual tastes prevail anyway. I learned in studying an
animal encyclopedia
as as a young Whippersnapper that the Poodle coat & clips were important
for
what they
originally did. (A German breed, BTW; hunt and retrieve)! The stickers &
foxtails etc.
would only adhere to the outer protective fur and not the dog as in a
short
coated one)
Also, the thickness repelled the water easily. I feel more is better, but
thatsa me and the
fantastic undercoat of our GSDs truly IS an insulation to heat & cold
times.
Norma no L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <grnram415@xxxxxxx>; <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:08 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: long coat revision to the standard by FV
It is a "fault".....no matter how awesome their structure...but so are
soft
coats & open coats.
There are different types of long coats......but they are still
"coats"......and they are all a
problem when you live in the Country where there are stickers, fox tails,
a
lot of dirt, or
out in the field herding and working. Even snow balls up on their coats
and sticks.
We've all had 'coats' that are really nice....but I wouldn't show
one........too much effort just
to get a good dog or a great dog shown without wasting time and money on
a
coated one.
You can already show them at AKC shows as long as they are not trimmed.
They are mentioned in our Standard........and considered a fault of the
coat! <G>.
Why change now?
The GSDCA, Inc. doesn't decide what we can show or not show.
If you have an AKC registered dog you can show it......it can even have
disqualifying
faults....( it's your entry fee to throw away ) you just will either
lose
or be disqualified. <G>
I sure hope we don't start tinkering with our Standard to fit coat faults?
We have a great
Breed......and a great Breed Standard. Why would we want to start
splitting it into varities
of coats and colors and light eyes, and dark eyes, and blacks and sables
etc.
This is a working / herding breed and there is a definite reason a long
coat
is not desired.
Though a beautiful Breed ( as long as we stay vigilant ) .our Standard
addresses the best
qualities for easy maintenance and all aspects of a working dog, service
dog
and a herding
dog ( again, as long as we stay vigilant ) whether it is the coat, the
feet or even the long
saber tail for balance.
JMO
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
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Msg: #3 in digest
From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Long Coat vs Dry Coat
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:30:11 -0700
I don't think the slick coat or dry type is looked upon badly so much as it
just does
not "accentuate the positive" for the dog. None of us want to show our
dogs out
of coat for just that reason.......same look......no beautiful
accentuations.
Same with a long coat.....it isn't that it's a serious fault according to
the Standard,
but catches the eye of the judge immediately. They don't even need to
look for
it.......it smacks them in the eye as the dog comes in the ring.
For some judges it's a bi-color that affects them the same way....or a black
or even
sable....or a bad back. They see it as the dog is coming in the ring and
if they
don't like that........you just threw away an entry fee. <G>
Now a missing tooth, or not good feet or a loose hock is often not picked
up on
until the individual exam.......and later in movement the dog can be so
impressive in
outline, and appearance and sidegait, etc. that the judge can "forget" what
they and
ring side cannot see easily every time it goes around the
ring.................<G>
Judges have to make decisions.....they don't have all the time in the world
to think
it over and compare over and over.......or contemplate whether to use it for
breeding
like we do when we have the dog in our yard and see things we like about it.
They
have a lot of things and a lot of dogs to think about and must make a
decision.
We all KNOW what we like about our dogs when we make a decision to enter
them
in a show.......but we cannot expect every judge to agree with OUR
preference. <G>
Now if you think about it.....normally we are all showing some very good
dogs....thats
why we drove hundreds of miles to show under a judge. I think I would not
be happy
if a judge put a long coat up for a major with all the quality animals being
show with
perfect coats..............JMO.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: grnram415@xxxxxxx To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, June 05,
2008 11:54 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Long Coat vs Dry Coat
Gosh, I never realized this thread would go so crazy.? Lots of good
information and opinions.? So, I have another side to this.? Dry coats.? They
seem to
be faulted in the ring as well.? I know that folks do major grooming jobs on
their dogs, getting them all fluffed up for the ring.? I have done this
myself.? The only thing is they will stay fluffy for about 10 mins and be flat
when they get in the ring.? That is not to say these dogs don't have
undercoat.? They do and I can prove it when they blow coat and their runs look
like
they are covered in dog hair snow.? I can't believe how much coat they can
blow.
So, my question is this.? The Standard?states: "The outer coat should be as
dense as possible."? Now, if the outer coat is very dense, then it SHOULD
close up to protect the undercoat from wet and cold.? Yet, why is a dry coat
looked at badly?? Or,?am I totally off base as to what a?true dry coat is??
And,
if I am wrong, then I would appreciate some grooming advice on how to keep
these dogs with great undercoats and short, dense outer coats, fluffy for more
than 10 mins :-)
Laura Thomas???
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Msg: #4 in digest
From: Elsyd1@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 02:29:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Worming
Puppies are born with roundworm infestation...(90%, according to University
of California Davis). At two weeks the roundworms start migrating. At 3 - 4
weeks they migrate to lungs,(pneumonia) stomach,(vomiting them up, inhaling
them, pneumonia) eyes, (potential blindness) and other organs, before
making
their way back to the intestines. Recommended protocol is to worm with
Pyrantal
Pamoate at two weeks, and once a week thereafter until two months, and then
every two weeks until 3 months old, when a natural immunity manifests
itself.
After that, once a month. Allowing puppies to go unwormed past two weeks is
very dangerous, and is a frequent cause of roundworm pneumonia, which is
usually fatal in puppies. A friend recently waited until 4 weeks to worm her
pups, (Maltese), I told her to worm them immediately. They were FULL of
huge
roundworms, and these pups weighed like 3 lbs. She was lucky the worms had
not
killed them. I was advised at my first litter to worm at 4 weeks, and I lost
two pups to roundworm pneumonia before they were ever wormed. Please, list,
start worming your puppies at two weeks, and once a week thereafter. When
puppies die for seemingly no reason, worms are sometimes the reason. Besides
all
the other horrors, starvation is also a very possible reason. Syd
In a message dated 6/5/2008 9:56:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Lacy340@xxxxxxx writes:
when do you start worming pups. Mine are 4 weeks old and on Formula, Raw
hamburger and rice cereal and a little water to wash it down.
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
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