[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V1 #331
- From: "Barbara Lee WILLIAMS" <santanagsd1954@xxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:20:36 -0800
When my friends asked me if it was okay to show under me, I told them... ' You
may be my Blue-Ribbon Friend, but that doesn't mean that I necessarily consider
your Dog a ' Blue-Ribbon Winner'...if you can deal with that, then show
under me, if you can't, keep your dog home... Barb Williams
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Subject: showgsd-l Digest V1 #331
showgsd-l Digest Mon, 31 Dec 2007 Volume: 01 Issue: 331
In This Issue:
#1: From: sheila lieberman <dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Future BRAG!!!
#2: From: "DIR" <Dir@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Dir@xxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: A question for and about judges
#3: From: "DIR" <Dir@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Dir@xxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: NAME TAGS AT NATIONAL
#4: From: Michael Lynch
<cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Future BRAG!!!
#5: From: RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx<mailto:RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: A question for and about judges
#6: From: Stormy435@xxxxxxx<mailto:Stormy435@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: A question for and about judges
#7: From: Michael Lynch
<cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: A question for and about judges
#8: From: "Kathy Tank" <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: A question for and about judges
#9: From: "Beryl" <arelee_1020@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:arelee_1020@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
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Msg: #1 in digest
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:39:58 -0800 (PST)
From: sheila lieberman <dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Future BRAG!!!
Sounds like you are trying to steal FB from Basu. HMMM
sheila
Michael Lynch <cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
If this was the male puppy you had at the show on
Friday, it certainly is a deep bodied, curvy handsome
guy that immediately caught my attention!!!
Mike
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Msg: #2 in digest
From: "DIR" <Dir@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Dir@xxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: A question for and about judges
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:47:36 -0600
Gee, if you have been in the breed as long as I have you "know" almost all
the specialty judges and breeders. I have put up animals owned by folks I
know very well--why?---for one thing they know the type animal I like. I
should not put them up because I know them?? On the other hand I do not put
them up BECAUSE I know them. Sandi Card
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Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] A question for and about judges
>
> If you only have two friends, I would not show under them.... <G> But
> I'll bet you're like most of us - you're on a show circuit with people
> you meet every month or so and they all become friends, so if you didn't
> show under them, you wouldn't show at all.
>
> Fortunately AKC Guidelines for judges defines this for us - as a
> relationship that involves business, co-ownerships, handling, etc. with
> the judge or their family or your family.
>
> We were at the Eugene shows some years ago and one of the exhibitors ran
> from ringside crying - another exhibitor had loudly criticized her at
> ring side for entering under a judge she had socialized with. I grabbed
> her and took her back ringside and told her loudly so all could hear,
> that everyone there knew this judge, had socialized with her from time
> to time and if she pulled, we'd all have to pull. Then I challenged her
> loudly to "go pick up and beat me if you can. And don't you dare confirm
> that this judge is not honest." She did, but my dog won anyway!
> Dave
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 4:10 PM, Barbara Galasso wrote:
>
>> I was talking to a very good friend of mine today who happens to be a
>> judge. She will be judging a show this year that I would normally
>> like to have shown at. She does not live in my area and is not
>> familiar with my dogs never having seen them except one a long time
>> ago who I don't show. Last year I did not show under two judges
>> because both are friends of mine. Best, Barbara
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Msg: #3 in digest
From: "DIR" <Dir@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Dir@xxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: NAME TAGS AT NATIONAL
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:09:45 -0600
Well Gee Dave, we really didn't think you carried a purse. Truly I am in
favor of the name tags---for those who care to wear them. I have
communicated with so many nice folks via email and I would LOVE to meet them
personally. Certainly should not be required. Sandi
To: <Dir@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Dir@xxxxxxxxxx>>;
<MAJTEACH@xxxxxxx<mailto:MAJTEACH@xxxxxxx>>;
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Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:11 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: NAME TAGS AT NATIONAL
>
>
>>> When I attend conventions, we get the plastic name tag that goes
>>> around the neck. LOVE THEM!!! I never carry a purse because I can
>>> put a credit card, ID, and cash in the pouch that comes with the name
>>> tag.
>>>
>>> Colette
>
> Me either Colette - I never carry a purse!
> Dave
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Msg: #4 in digest
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:13:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Lynch <cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Future BRAG!!!
Ha, Right!
I have my own clients and there's enough business in this industry there
is no need for one handler to seek out another handler's clients.
Thankfully, my client keeps me supplied in shepherds--class animals and
specials. Recently, I have taken over the breeding aspect for them as well.
Now, that doesn't mean that I can't notice a good one and ask the million
dollar question... "is this puppy for sale???"
Mike Lynch.
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Msg: #5 in digest
From: RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx<mailto:RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:22:34 EST
Subject: Re: A question for and about judges
In a message dated 12/30/2007 10:37:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Stormy435@xxxxxxx<mailto:Stormy435@xxxxxxx> writes:
I know it is done, but perception and appearance would rule MY decision.
Stormy
What about the qualities, or lack of your entry. That is the only thing
that would rule MY decision. Perception and appearance be damned.
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From: Stormy435@xxxxxxx<mailto:Stormy435@xxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:34:33 EST
Subject: Re: A question for and about judges
Randy, I may be wrong, but I think Alycia was asking if we (generic we or I)
would ENTER under a judge who owned the stud of the dog entered. I would
not
enter a dog under a judge who owned the stud of my dog, but I know it's done
and I don't believe an ethical judge would give any more weight to that dog
than any other. IMO
Stormy
In a message dated 12/31/07 3:22:34 PM, RChesnut70502 writes:
> In a message dated 12/30/2007 10:37:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> Stormy435@xxxxxxx<mailto:Stormy435@xxxxxxx> writes:
>
> I know it is done, but perception and appearance would rule MY decision.
> Stormy
>
> What about the qualities, or lack of your entry. That is the only thing
> that would rule MY decision. Perception and appearance be damned.
>
> Randy C.
>
>
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Msg: #7 in digest
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:43:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Lynch <cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: A question for and about judges
Here is something to chew on. I approach this as a horse show judge too!.
In dog shows, a judge is only going to make 3-4 people happy on that given
day..
Winners Dog
Winners Bitch
Best of Breed
Best Puppy...
In an entry of 60, thats about 56 people that will have an opinion some way
or the other.. So, in short, why worry? Hell, do what you want to and be damned
with the rest.
In horse shows, my friends always ask, "is it ok to show to you?" I
said,"Sure, by all means, Im still gonna be honest and you damn well better
bring me what I like and it better perform. Im going to be harder on you
because you know better than the person who doesnt know me!"
My friend brought a certain horse to me that I discovered in another barn,
she rode her tail off in about 6 classes and won all 6 and for the championship
she took it home. In my opinion, it was because it was the best horse in the
class, my friend just happened to ride him. Now, ringside said, "Well, the only
reason why he put up that horse is because Fran Cole owns it..."
No, the only reason why Fran Cole won the class is because it was the best
horse. She got the gate with her black mare in 4 classes before she realized I
didnt like her. I still went to her barn after show party and we are still
friends to this day. But she shows me what I like and when its done, if shes
the best horse, she does well.
On another note. I have mortal enemies that I have given championship wins
to and blues. I dont care if Satan himself was sitting in the saddle, he had
the best horse, he or she (which will remain nameless) was winning the class..
Period.
You gotta look at it this way, ringside is gonna talk regardless. Youre a
dumb crook if you do put up your friends with a good dog, and youre an arse if
you didnt put up your friends with a mediocre dog.. so just cut your losses, do
what you wanna do because when it is all said and done, the one handing out the
ribbons has to be able to face him/herself in the morning.. and thats all that
really matters.
Mike
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Msg: #8 in digest
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:19:56 -0800
From: "Kathy Tank" <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: A question for and about judges
I think this is a very interesting conversation. Does one enter a dog/bitch
under the stud dog owner,( or breeder of the sire) and worry about
perception/appearance...or if in not entering would "you" risk offending the
stud dog owner /judge? Could such a decision to entry a progeny under a
given stud's owner, backfire?
It is not against AKC rules. However, if the said progeny were put up
by the judge, and was clearly the best dog or bitch on the day...then what
fallout could the judge or owner of the entry face from others? None , I
would hope.
I think it has to be left up to the individual judges , as to how they
would handle it. Judges that have owned/bred popular stud dogs, might well
lose a substantial part of their entries , if they ruled out progeny. Just
a thought. A complicated question with no clear answers. Whatever happens,
it shouid be the best dog/ bitch at that time....regardless of who owns the
stud dog.
JM2Cents
Kathy
On 31/12/2007, RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx<mailto:RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx>
<RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx<mailto:RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/30/2007 10:37:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> Stormy435@xxxxxxx<mailto:Stormy435@xxxxxxx> writes:
> I know it is done, but perception and appearance would rule MY decision.
> Stormy
>
>
>
> What about the qualities, or lack of your entry. That is the only thing
> that would rule MY decision. Perception and appearance be damned.
>
> Randy C.
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From: "Beryl" <arelee_1020@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:arelee_1020@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:44:57 -0800
I am quite sure the graphic's won't come through, but hopefully the message
will.
The message that follows is for a Happy New Year
And I can only think of one other thing to add.....May the New Year bring
each of you success, happiness and fulfillment in all of your "GSD" related
activates.
HAPPY NEW YEAR ONE AND ALL, both canine and human.
Beryl Eshom
Arelee GSD
Davis, CA.
New Year's Wishes
May you get a clean bill of health from your dentist, your cardiologist,
your gastro-enterologist, your urologist, your proctologist, your podiatrist,
your psychiatrist, your plumber and the I.R.S.
May your hair, your teeth, your face-lift, your abs and your stocks not
fall; and may your blood pressure, your triglycerides, your cholesterol, your
white blood count and your mortgage interest not rise.
May New Year's Eve find you seated around the table, together with your
beloved family and cherished friends. May you find the food better, the
environment quieter, the cost much cheaper, and the pleasure much more
fulfilling than anything else you might ordinarily do that night.
May what you see in the mirror delight you, and what others see in you
delight them. May someone love you enough to forgive your faults, be blind to
your blemishes, and tell the world about your virtues.
May the telemarketers wait to make their sales calls until you finish
dinner, may the commercials on TV not be louder than the program you have been
watching, and may your check book and your budget balance - and include
generous amounts for charity.
May you remember to say "I love you" at least once a day to your spouse,
your child, your parent, your siblings; but not to your secretary, your nurse,
your masseuse, your hairdresser or your tennis instructor.
And may we live in a world at peace and with the awareness of God's love in
every sunset, every flower's unfolding petals, every baby's smile, every
lover's kiss, and every wonderful, astonishing, miraculous beat of our heart.
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