Thank you , Joan & Tish...I was asked by a few performance? people and really could not answer them..? There are some listers who do show in other venues?as well as??conformation...FloB Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:02:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Ballot Bios.. All judges are asked to write a bio when they sign the agreement to judge if elected. It's included in the contract. It's entirely up to them. I would not know who to vote for even with a bio though. Joan ----- Original Message ---- From: "fboese@xxxxxxx" <fboese@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:50:56 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Ballot Bios.. -----Original Message----- From: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: showgsd-l digest users <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 2:33 pm Subject: showgsd-l Digest V1 #258 showgsd-l Digest Wed, 19 Sep 2007 Volume: 01 Issue: 258 In This Issue: #1: From: Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Ballot Bios.. #2: From: Nikirie98@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: showgsd-l Digest V1 #253 #3: From: Gsdman2@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: Fw: A message from Ken Downing, candidate for GSDCA #4: From: TISHW@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: Ballot Bios.. #5: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx Subject: Think a little thought of me #6: From: caggra@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Futurities and regions #7: From: myjoygs@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: re membership language ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Msg: #1 in digest Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:02:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Ballot Bios.. All judges are asked to write a bio when they sign the agreement to judge if elected. It's included in the contract. It's entirely up to them. I would not know who to vote for even with a bio though. Joan ----- Original Message ---- From: "fboese@xxxxxxx" <fboese@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:50:56 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Ballot Bios.. With all the talk about Bio info or lack thereof, why were NO Bios given for the Obedience or performance judges ...I was only familiar with one name on the listing and voted accordingly...Was this info not supplied by the judges in question????? Inquiring minds would like to know....Flo Boese?? Bo-Hem Shepherds ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ------------------------------ Msg: #2 in digest From: Nikirie98@xxxxxxx Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:06:09 EDT Subject: Re: showgsd-l Digest V1 #253 In a message dated 9/19/2007 12:02:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: The ameteur futurity was not put together specifically so that a novice can win. It was created so that folks who want to owner/handle their dogs get a fair shot. A Fair Shot should be agiven in ANY ring not just the amateur ring. JMO Karen _Nikiree Shepherds_ (http://www.nikireeshepherds.com/) Proud owners & breeders of: FV Ch Nikiree's Summer Premiere OFA (Am Ch pt) Can Ch Nikiree's Midnight Mayhem TC, OFA (Am Ch pt) NE RBOM Nikiree's League Of Her Own OFA Nikiree's Instant Star OFA Prelim NE BOF Nikiree's Charmed and Dangerous ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Msg: #3 in digest From: Gsdman2@xxxxxxx Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:09:21 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: A message from Ken Downing, candidate for GSDCA In a message dated 9/19/2007 10:02:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, caggra@xxxxxxx writes: I also have a problem with Tom posting the suggestion far below to, in regards to Sharon's "leaving" out Gail's bio and then forwarding Ken's bio to the List.? ---------------------------------------- Jeff, I made it clear in my post that I was not accusing Sharon of wrongdoing. I posted a simple, and I think important observation about how this list has been used by a handful of people as a campaign tool to get certain people elected. Perhaps you read only a clip of what I posted? If that is the case, please go back and find my original post. Tom Langlitz ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Msg: #4 in digest From: TISHW@xxxxxxx Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:09:40 EDT Subject: Re: Ballot Bios.. In a message dated 9/19/2007 1:55:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fboese@xxxxxxx writes: With all the talk about Bio info or lack thereof, why were NO Bios given for the Obedience or performance judges ...I was only familiar with one name on the listing and voted accordingly...Was this info not supplied by the judges in question????? Inquiring minds would like to know....Flo Boese?? Bo-Hem Shepherds Hi Flo, I should probably wait for Sharon to answer this officially but I think the answer is that the performance judges are many times not specifically GSD people and do not submit their bios. A good idea for the future might be to have the committee (agility, herding, whatever) write up a short statement about each judge (or at least the ones who have not submitted anything). Tish ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Msg: #5 in digest From: ELG440@xxxxxxx Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:24:38 EDT Subject: Think a little thought of me In a message dated 9/19/07 10:34:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, f.fasano@xxxxxxx writes: I am all for WDA - just regret that what has happened to their club now seems to be happening in our club- I still support the WDA, but did resign over what they were doing to Ken. I can't condone that sort of hatred and while I believe they have the right to exist, I can't support them at this time. Evan (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Msg: #6 in digest Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Futurities and regions Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:27:52 -0400 From: caggra@xxxxxxx I agree that good dogs will get handlers noticed.? However, I will say that this Ameteur Futurity gave Denise a setting to show good dogs without the intimidation factor of having the ring full of 10 pro handlers.? I know this is not the reason the Amateur Futurity was instituted though.? And, by the way, Denise showed 2 of our dogs in the Amateur Futurity and did a fantastic job!? However, she has shown one of those dogs in a major specialty and done a fantastic job there too! Jeff Pyle -----Original Message----- From: hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: Denise Fox <foxhavengs@xxxxxxx>; ANNSCHULTZ@xxxxxxx; edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 1:35 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Fwd: Re: Futurities and regions Great dogs get new handlers noticed. The handler is truly not even supposed to be noticed..the focus should be on the dog..I stress should. Once Tom Sherman told me that he was asked why he didn't put his good ones with a pro and instead put his good ones with Michael( he was a kid then) simple answer..if I want Michael to be noticed as a handler, he will have to be on a really good dog. I do not know what you handled,but as a young handler if you were on a really good one, chances are you would get noticed, in ANY event., Amateur or otherwise. Christine hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Steve and Christine Grainger WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise Fox To: ANNSCHULTZ@xxxxxxx;edangsd"@prodigy.net;hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 9/19/2007 12:26:24 PM Subject: Fwd: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurities and regions I showed in the amateur futurity this year. Thanks to someone giving me a chance. I think it is a great opportunity for new and young handlers and owner handlers getting seen and having fun. Not all breeders are willing to put a new or young handler on their dog. This way everyone can show and have fun. I would definitely do it again next year if it is offered. Denise Fox Foxhaven German Shepherds -----Original Message----- From: ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 8:49 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurities and regions Christine, the amateur futurity was NOT another way to get my dogs to the National Finals as none of the four that qualified are going. Denver is too hard to get to with dogs. Flying is my only option and that isn't possible. Jake Criss, the handler, had a wonderful time and I think that he is hooked. I would enter the amateur futurity next year if there was one at a futurity I attend if there are any up and coming handlers that would like to handle them. Ann hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I thought this was supposed to be about Amateur breeder/ handlers. Little did anyone anticipate that it would be about the same breeders, just getting different handlers who hadn't been paid for a year.I think the concept of the event was to attract new people, who were new to participating in the futurity event.It was probably not meant to afford the same breeders and the same people who had been participating in the futurity system for years, yet another way to get more animals to the National. ============================================================================ Ann Home of Sel Ex Ch Mechanical Bull and #1 Dam I've Got It All. Breeder-owner of 64 champions and 18 ROMs ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Msg: #7 in digest Subject: Re: re membership language Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:32:41 -0400 From: myjoygs@xxxxxxx Can this be reworded so that it doesn't go against the "anti-trust" laws and was it that way because it was to be included in the membership application, would it hold the same if it was in code of ethics??? Does anyone know what other clubs are using? c. No members shall EVER sell or donate dogs for auctions or raffles, >or to pet shops, catalog houses, or any other commercial ventures. No >member (or member of his household) shall be involved in the wholesale >distribution** of dogs. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS -----Original Message----- From: f.fasano@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 1:52 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] re membership language Tish just to refresh your memory-Kris Tish I forwarded this to Nancy Guttenberg please note her response below-Kris -----Original Message----- From: RICHARD GUTTENBERG [mailto:rnguttenberg@xxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:07 PM To: nationalprop@xxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: New Membership Application #2 Number "c" is violates Federal Anti-Trust. I would not include this language. Already discussed it with Larry. c. No members shall EVER sell or donate dogs for auctions or raffles, >or to pet shops, catalog houses, or any other commercial ventures. No >member (or member of his household) shall be involved in the wholesale >distribution** of dogs. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ End of showgsd-l Digest V1 #258 ******************************* ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================