[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V1 #186
- From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: gsdpaz2@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:58:37 -0700 (PDT)
I will see if one of the local members of the Eugene club knows who this person
is.
I am sure she would love the business.
Terry
gsdpaz2@xxxxxxx wrote:
Sandi I'd love to get the info on the quilt lady myself.
Brenda
New Hampshire Area
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Sent: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:06 pm
Subject: showgsd-l Digest V1 #186
showgsd-l Digest Sun, 16 Sep 2007 Volume: 01 Issue: 186
In This Issue:
#1: From: acorreia1043@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: AKC has problems too / And so do we.
#2: From: ELG440@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: The Blame Game
#3: From: EJDegen@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Futurities and regions
#4: From: "DIR"
Subject: GSD Quilt lady in Oregon
#5: From: ANN SCHULTZ
Subject: Re: Futurities and regions
#6: From: Scharo777@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Futurities and regions
#7: From: Ken and Pat Downing
Subject: questions and answers
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Msg: #1 in digest
rom: acorreia1043@xxxxxxxxxxx
ubject: Re: AKC has problems too / And so do we.
ate: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:42:50 +0000
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rom: Gail Sprock
Read the Dog News Editorial
96Gail
ttp://www.thedogpress.com/ClubNews/05_CHF_Lawsuit.05_Editorial.asp
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Hey Gail: I received this one today. Also regarding the AKC. (attached)
Tony C
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Msg: #2 in digest
rom: ELG440@xxxxxxx
ate: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:44:54 EDT
ubject: Re: The Blame Game
n a message dated 9/16/2007 10:27:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
correia1043@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
here was NO "secret" executive meeting
No meeting what so ever......
Gary
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ust wondering, How would one know if there was one or not, if it was
ecret? LOL!
For me, the answer is easy. If Gary says so, I believe him. I don't know
here that idea came up, and I have since heard it from many others. But, I
ever mentioned a meeting. That was Christine. I am sure she was told there
as
ne.
van
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Msg: #3 in digest
rom: EJDegen@xxxxxxx
ate: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:48:27 EDT
ubject: Re: Futurities and regions
n a message dated 9/16/2007 9:25:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
would
specially like to here from those who are saying the reducing the regions
s going to make them travel farther..if traveling was an issue..why did
ou exhibit out of your region. Not a smart ass question..I am curious?
ear Christine,
'll tell you....lots of reasons: because of judges, the timing of the
hows, the judges at the specialty shows that same weekend, the club offered
he
mateur event, and it was 1/2 way between my house, co-owners, and friends
ho were coming to see the show. It was a "family" vacation weekend and we had
an awesome time.
f you reread my original post, having 9 different judges to choose from is
y #1 reason not to reduce the regions.
I* personally will go wherever I can....heck, I flew from Germany to attend
assie's futurity....probably the furthest anyone ever came for a Futurity!
owever, most people are more sane than I am :-)
ou are NOT going to increase entries by decreasing regions. It doesn't
ake sense. However, without some changes to the system, we're not going to
ncrease entries by keeping the regions the same, either. Perhaps the
mateur
vents WILL increase entries, give it a couple of years to see. You can't
udge anything by the first year. The Amateur event certainly will not cause
DECREASE entries, though, as reducing the regions most certainly will.
guess I am not clear on WHY you believe decreasing the regions is a good
hing, Christine? Change for the sake of change? More competition at the
ocal level? If you want more competition, go to some of the larger events.
ear that the winners are not of good enough "caliber"? They'll be weeded out
t the national....
ulie Degen
ort Monroe, VA
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Msg: #4 in digest
rom: "DIR"
ubject: GSD Quilt lady in Oregon
ate: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:36:43 -0500
I am looking for the lady in Oregon that does breed quilts. She does the 12
onths of the year with the breed doing something and I wish to buy 1 or 2.
erman Shepherds of course. I think her business is something like D--ZINE--NOT
URE. She is close to Eugene. I saw a sample of her work when I stayed with
arol and Charlie when I judged there a couple of weeks ago. The quilt sells
or about $500 but that is OK, The workmanship is just awesome. I HAVE TO HAVE
NE OR TWO OF THESE!!!!! Sandi Card
hone # 815-625=3737
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Msg: #5 in digest
ate: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:56:59 -0700 (PDT)
rom: ANN SCHULTZ
ubject: Re: Futurities and regions
Hi Christine, you entered a dog in the amateur futurity, but you didn't
exhibit,
or were you there for it, so you really don't know if it worked or not. It did.
or your info I entered in two futurities because I had littermates. I drove 4
ours to the Great Lakes Futurity (my region) and 6 hours to the Midwest
uturity. Had the Midwest Futurity been in Kansas City, I would not have
upported it because of distance Ann
hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I wasn't for the amateur futurity, I still
hink it is pointless,
onetheless sort of fun. I could think of every which way it wasn't going
o work..just like a handful are saying with reducing the regions.
owever I supported it with my entry. The outcry for not reducing the
egions has not been substantial, just a few. Just as with the Amateur
uturity if the committee, which you are on, decides against it, fine, if
hey decided for it. fine. There are some who drove a substantial distance
ust to show at an Amateur fut. Funny how all of a sudden distance and time
ecome a factor, that is something I would not have done, but everyone is
ifferent. When I parred down the regions I made it into 5, fully expecting
hat would be cutting it close, perhaps a compromise would be 7..which is
hat MANY have suggested the last few years, that is unless all the
issenters are not willing to compromise for possibly the common good. If
he committee decides this is the direction to go, so be it..and if so
upport it as I did with the Amateur futurity. Until everyone decides they
an't have it "their way'" and work for a common good then we are in a rut.
hear some say, the system isn't broke..in the purest since of the word
hat is true..BUT then I hear others say "The system is broke because we
ave no new people"..so which is it again? Is it broke or not
roke..important or not important. You must be kidding if you think keeping
he regions the same, or reducing them is going to attract new or drive
hem away people.Want to attract new people, get them involved. Solicit
heir involvement in ALL areas. Just for the Hell of it..I would really
ike to know who showed in their regions ONLY..and who exhibited out of
heir regions, both for the futurity and the Amateur.And if they are so
appy with their own region, why did they choose to go to another? I would
specially like to here from those who are saying the reducing the regions
s going to make them travel farther..if traveling was an issue..why did
ou exhibit out of your region. Not a smart ass question..I am curious?
hristine
ckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
teve and Christine Grainger
WW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM
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From: Carolyn
To: ;
Date: 9/16/2007 4:39:50 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurities and regions
Thank you Julie!!! I agree with you completely ....100%!!!
I have thought about it from every angle that I can think of and I can
ee absolutely no way that
decreasing the Regions will benefit the Futurities in ANY way!! I might
sound good'...but it isn't.
# 1. You cannot have a Judge that dwells within the same Futurity Region
udge your Futurity.
Right off the top we have eliminated volumes of Judges for our
ocal Futurities.
Factor in: The numbers of Exhibitors and Breeders will not suddenly
grow" with this change....we will
have the same numbers involved and we have just made it more difficult
nd expensive for those same
Breeders or Exhibitors to get to a Futurity with that one single change.
The COMMON factor that all Breeders/ Exhibitors give for their cutting
ack and no longer participating
in Futurities is EXPENSE...expense of traveling, Motels, and Handlers.
ith that single change we
will have made it more expensive, farther to travel and less handlers
vailable!! I absolutely do not
understand the reasoning of thinking this could possibly be an
mprovement for those that make up the
Futurities ......and that is the Breeder/ Exhibitor/ Handlers.
I might look good on paper when you get out charts.....but in reality it
ill make it much harder for more!!
# 2. There of course are always some that will fly or drive "anywhere"
nd some that WILL fly to a Futurity
for some specific reason, dog or Judge. BUT THIS WAY....we are making
t a REQUIREMENT!!
Carolyn marhaven@jps,net
www.Marhaven.com
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From: EJDegen@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday,
eptember 16, 2007 9:34 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Futurities and regions
I believe that we should NOT decrease the regions. There are several
reasons for this:
1. Most importantly, 9 different judges to choose from
2. For those of us that do many different sports and also have
amilies who
have their commitments, 9 different dates from which to select (most
f the
time)
3. Keeping the potential drives to Futurities as short as possible
We are trying to encourage MORE participation in the futurities. New
eople
will NOT drive long distances to a what they consider to be a "match"
no CH
points). The "old timers" will find a way to get to the Fut/Mat no
atter
what or where it is. They will choose their Fut/Mat on who is
udging.
However, the newer breeders (or owners), or smaller breeders, or
oorer will not
be willing to take a chance that will cost them significantly more
oney or
time. At this time, those breeders (or owners) are likely the ones
hat won't
drive to the far sides of their region, but will only attend shows
elatively
"local" to them. If the regions are decreased, then the shows will be
relatively "local" to them less often.
4. If we decrease regions, costs for the "big" handlers will increase
(supply & demand) as there are fewer futurities and more competition to
ire them.
They may not make any more money than they do currently (and possibly
ven
LESS than currently), but it will cost those who choose to use them
ore
money...so both the handlers and the owners are losers in the $
I have participated in Futurities/Maturities when I have had dogs
ligible
for them. I have driven AND flown to attend them. I have chosen
here I
compete most of the time because of the judges, but once did choose
ecause of
location & convenience. This year I opted to do the Amateur Maturity
nstead
of the "professional" for several reasons which I won't bore everyone
ith
here.
Julie Degen
Fort Monroe, VA
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Msg: #6 in digest
rom: Scharo777@xxxxxxx
ate: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:57:31 EDT
ubject: Re: Futurities and regions
In a message dated 9/16/2007 8:37:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
nd if they are so
appy with their own region, why did they choose to go to another? I would
specially like to here from those who are saying the reducing the regions
s going to make them travel farther..if traveling was an issue..why did
ou exhibit out of your region. Not a smart ass question..I am curious?
hy did I decide to go to another region?
1. I am retired, have an R.V. so I could.
2. I am a serious exhibitor and don't pick a futurity just for fun.
3. I thought the judge would be the best for my dog
4. I love to go to California shows because they are always a lot of fun
nd I love seeing friends there
5. I like to go to several futurities and see what is coming up all over
he country.
6. I didn't want to show good littermates against themselves in the same
aturity.
7. California was having an amateur futurity and I have a friend who has
ust started showing dogs and seems like she will be very good and I wanted
o encourage her and so treated her to a trip out there.
Yes, Fred, that is Donna)
8. All the yuccas were blooming across the dessert and it was a
eautiful drive
9, I had a puppy to deliver to Jack.
10. My husband was thinking of going on to a boat race in Northern
alifornia. (He changed his mind)
11. My husband and I like taking trips together.
nd No, I certainly would not like to see less futurity regions. I will be
appy to pole our club members next week. They are just as important.
arol Moore
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ate: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
rom: Ken and Pat Downing
ubject: questions and answers
I would like to share my answers to the questions and answers with you that
ere asked by Becky Dickson and her site GSDbyDesign. I felt this would be
ore personal than a blanket mailing.
1 - Does a German Shepherd Dog that you own reside on your property? And do
ou care for it?
Today my wife Patty, my daughter Kim and I share our home and our lives with
ight German Shepherds including Ch. Ponca Hillâ??s Jackie Chan, from one of the
ast litters bred by the late Jack Budd, a very dear friend.
We also have Indie vom Altenbergerland CD, RE CGC. I brought Indie and her
ittermates over from Germany after seeing her father, V17 Cary vom Fiemereck
chH3 Kkl 1 at the World Sieger show. Two of our dogs including Indie have
ompanion Dog and Rally Excellent Titles.
We also have a rescued Border Terrier mix, Maggie. Sadly, we recently lost
anny, our 13 year old Corgi to inoperable cancer. Fanny was bred by Scootie
herlock and Pat Parsons.
I am responsible for morning clean up and exercise, and evening feedings. I
oadwork and train the dogs for the conformation ring although we havenâ??t
shown
ince 2002 because of my positions as officers of the GSDCA and the WDA.
2 - Would you support an addendum to the Bylaws stating how many meetings can
e missed by a board member or officer?
Yes if the membership wanted this, however I believe there could be
xtenuating circumstances, and we must be sympathetic to these situations.
3 - What do you think was the biggest challenge the board faced during the
ast year? Do you agree or disagree with how the situation was handled. If you
isagree, how would you have handled it differently?
There have been many challenges this past year which I feel are primarily
ased on the board leadershipâ??s lack of adherence to our Bylaws. Two come to
ind as most serious- the selection of our Review editor and the Hunte
embership application process.
With no disrespect to our current editor, I believe that the selection of the
eview editor did not follow the process outlined in the Policies and Procedures
anual. The contract chair was supposed to distribute the proposals to the board
n time for them to review the qualifications of all the candidates before the
oard meeting. This did not occur. From the information I have received from
oard members, applicants and club members, I am not sure all applicants were
iven fair consideration.
The Hunte membership - As our rules are silent on criteria for membership, in
his case, we rely on IRS code governing non-profit social organizations. We are
501c7 organization which gives us the right to grant membership to who we wish
s long as we do not discriminate based on race, color or religion.
www.irs.gov)
As with the Review editor situation, the board was not given the time or
nformation to prepare to make a decision. Hunteâ??s name was published in the
eptember Review. The membership chair then received a petition with signatures
f 324 members, and also 26 letters objecting to Hunteâ??s membership.
The Board meeting to consider membership was closed. Hunte was allowed to
resent his case in detail, and included rebuttals to statements of members who
ad objected to his membership.
Hunte had been given the letters of objection, and posted quotes from the
etters on his website, including mentioning the names of the club members
bjecting.
Although Hunte was given the opportunity to present his case, those members
ho had written letters objecting were not given the opportunity to speak, and
oard members were not given the opportunity to discuss the issue prior to
oting. I consider this a serious violation of the rights of the membership.
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