[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V1 #145
- From: "Barbara Lee WILLIAMS" <santanagsd1954@xxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:58:31 -0800
A CORRECT PROSTERNUM ONLY OCCURS WITH GS WHO HAVE THE DESIRED STANDARD CORRECT
LENGTH AND LAYBACK OF SHOULDER-BLADE AND THE CORRECT LENGTH AND ANGULATION OF
THE UPPER ARM...ALONG WITH AN IDEAL RIB-CAGE, WHICH, IDEALLY, IS WELL-CARRIED
FORWARD.. OVAL-SHAPED, NOT BARRELED NOR SLAB SIDED..
MANY GET FOOLED BY FALSE PROSTERNUMS WHICH WERE ONCE CALLED 'POUTER PIGEON '
FRONTS... OR
'FALSE FRONTS'... OFTEN SEEN ON THOSE EXHIBITING INCORRECT RIBBING..AS WELL
AS FORE-QUARTER ANGULATION.. MANY OF THE OLD ENGLISH BRED GS HAD THESE 'FAKE'
FRONTS.
. MANY OF THE GS TODAY LACK PROSTERNUMS BECAUSE THEY LACK CORRECT ANGULATION
AND FORMATION OF THE FORE=QUARTER.., WHICH IS PART AND PARCEL OF "THE RIBBING"
, WHICH IS AN OFTEN OVER-LOOKED, OR LITTLE ATTENTION PAID TO, MOST IMPORTANT
AND ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE PARTS OF THE ENTIRE FORE-QUARTER AND BACK.. ..
.JMO BARB WILLIAMS
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Subject: showgsd-l Digest V1 #145
showgsd-l Digest Tue, 11 Dec 2007 Volume: 01 Issue: 145
In This Issue:
#1: From: Cynthia VanDenBerge <vande001@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:vande001@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Interesting discussion - prosternum
#2: From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Thanks AKC
#3: From: "Becky T. Dickson" <gretchanya@xxxxxxx<mailto:gretchanya@xxxxxxx>>
Subject: That poison pen -- err, typewriter
#4: From: lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: January Shows Orlando Florida
#5: From: Gsdjudge@xxxxxxx<mailto:Gsdjudge@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: For fun
#6: From: "Diane Beckman"
<d.beckman@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:d.beckman@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: FW: Re: If for fun.....
#7: From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: just for fun...if not GSDs...what would you have?
#8: From: Jessica MacMillan
<spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Interesting discussion - prosternum
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Msg: #1 in digest
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:03:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Cynthia VanDenBerge <vande001@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:vande001@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Interesting discussion - prosternum
Some of the best prosternums I have ever seen were on the Covy-Tucker Hills
dogs of the late 70s and 80s. They were phenominal. Low stationed dogs,
plush, plush, plush, maybe a tad long for some, but the poll of the necks and
prosternums were awesome. Cynthia
Denise Bostrom Denise Bostrom
<denise@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:denise@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote: On my dogs I like to see a good prominent prosternum. My
understanding is
it provides support for muscles necessary to have good front reach. (please
correct me if I am wrong here).
Denise
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From: "Peggy"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Interesting discussion - prosternum
> Going on now on the Judges' list...someone posted;
>
>
> I would like to throw out a subject for discussion....ie...the amount of
> prosternum on breeds such as the Doberman and Great Dane and the
> reason for your answer.
>
> Since Shepherds also are supposed to have "something up front," I thought
it
> might be interesting to discuss this on the list.
>
> It's interesting...just look up a few standards (Dobes,
> Danes, Dachshunds, German Shepherds, and others)
> and see how the prosternum is described. Then I'll share some of the
> judges' comments with the list...no, I won't say who said what..just some
of
> their thoughts.
> Peggy
>
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Msg: #2 in digest
From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Thanks AKC
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:06:12 -0500
Deb - I think if you don't live in the east, you have absolutely no idea how
hard it is to find sites at all, never mind to have specialties in the
wintertime.
Those of us who have been to the Monroe, LA, weekend, know that it is
possible to have lovely specialties indoors. And without AKC harrassment,
at that. Of course, some reps are worse than others...it does seem that the
worst of them get stationed in the New England area (or Ohio) - and we've
had some real stinkers here in the Mid Atlantic area, too.
I'm not a fan of the Fitchburg building...but if those clubs could
get indoors and have two specialties plus two additional days of breeder
judges, for our side of the country, that's pretty damn good. I for one
don't believe the GSD people were really disrupting the other rings---all
the talk around the country about what went on there has been anti-rep, not
anti GSD fancy.
Of course the AKC is going to back up the reps...a bunch of people who
all failed at "real" jobs...even the former handlers were, for the most
part, failures at that.......
As for thinking it was OK for the rep to lay hands on, Gator
obviously doesn't believe it, since that letter as plain as the nose on your
face called Becky
and everyone else who complained a liar.............
I for one have never minded not judging in New England...the all-breed
politics there are the nastiest in the country. Specialties are one
thing...the all breeds there are something else. I have an assignment there
next spring...which I will cancel as soon as I get this post sent. I just
won't judge up there anymore......... and while I wouldn't ask the
exhibitors not to show in their own part of the country, I would sure as
hell avoid Fitchburg like the plague.
Peggy
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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Thanks AKC
> Well Becky... I still do not completely understand why specialties team up
> with All Breeds. I was not there so I do not know how bad the doubling
> was
> however, It would be in the GSD's Best Interest to hold thier specialites
> seperately. They can do what Sacramento and Reno do and hold 4
> Specialties in 2 days
> but then we have no one else to bother.
>
> I enjoy doubling as do many of us. I still do not know why they believe
> it
> was OK for the rep to put their hands on anyone!!!
> Sorry the AKC is the way they are...
>
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Msg: #3 in digest
Subject: That poison pen -- err, typewriter
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:17:05 -0500
From: "Becky T. Dickson" <gretchanya@xxxxxxx<mailto:gretchanya@xxxxxxx>>
Becky opines:
Dear Mr. Gaeta -
Thank you for replying to my note regarding the events at the Fitchburg,
Mass., shows.
I am assuming, and please correct me if I am wrong, that when you refer
to "credible" reports in the below email, you are not implying that I
am a liar.
I am disappointed to hear that the AKC will not take a stand on the
matter of its Rep behaving in what was clearly an unacceptable manner.
I wish I could say I was surprised.
Please be advised that the next time an AKC Rep lays a hand on me, (and
I am sure that she will, knowing you will back her) I will not bother
to file a complaint. Instead, I will call the police and have her
charged with assault.
It is unfortunate that any of these events took place. It will be more
unfortunate should it have a negative impact on GSD entries in the
Northeast.
Sincerely,
Becky T. Dickson
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From: lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: January Shows Orlando Florida
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:19:12 +0000
If you are coming down for the circuit if specialties shows that have been
shamelessly promoted (vbg) on the list, please join dog friends Saturday Night
after the dog shows at The Comedy Club.
The comedy show starts at 8 PM Saturday, headquarters Holiday Inn in
Altamonte Springs. I spoke to the club and tickets are $8. (can be purchased
the night of). He recommended that I give him a head count to accommodate
seating. Please send me an email if you think you have an interest in laughing
with us. Or, find me at the show and I will get a list together that day.
Also, there is an open mike night Tuesday- for those who feel adventurous and
want to show us what comedians they are outside of the dog show arena. I don't
care who you are, it beats karaoke!
Now you have no reason to not come down, sunshine and laughter. Enter a puppy
and have some laughs. Linda Bankhead
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Msg: #5 in digest
From: Gsdjudge@xxxxxxx<mailto:Gsdjudge@xxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:23:00 EST
Subject: Re: For fun
In a message dated 12/11/2007 1:00:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
SallyHH31@xxxxxxx<mailto:SallyHH31@xxxxxxx> writes:
Well I am 76 and have 6 adult Shepherds. They are very hard on my thin skin
but I don't mind.
SAlly: I know i'm just a youngster compared to you at only70, but i know
just where you're coming from.Damn thin skin! I too have 6 adult shepherds
and i
feel most of the time i'm the only one supporting the Johnson and Johnson
BandAid compamy. I always look like i've been in a knife fight. My dogs love
me
to death. Gobi, my pet male, is 29 inchs at the whither and weighs 123
pounds. When he gets to playing with me, i have to be darn carefull.
Unfortunately
i don't know how much longer that i'll be in good enough physical condition
to rough house with him or any of the others for that matter, but until that
time they're sure fun and i love em to death. Bud..
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Msg: #6 in digest
From: "Diane Beckman" <d.beckman@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:d.beckman@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: FW: Re: If for fun.....
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:24:52 -0600
If I couldn't have a GS I would have something so small I could carry around
in my arms. Like a poodle..I've had big dogs for over 20 years, and they
have dislocated my shoulder, fractured an ankle, knocked me down the stairs
and I'm getting older now. I would have something under 10lbs. haha That's
what I say, but what I would do, is get another GS:) Diane
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: If for fun.....
In a message dated 12/11/2007 3:18:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
Kathy Tank asks what some people would have if they could not have a GSD.
I, personally, would have a FIT!!!!!!!!!!!! D.D.
Thank you DD, same here. I cant see myself without a GSD. We have tried,
and always come back to "the real deal"....lol
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Msg: #7 in digest
From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: just for fun...if not GSDs...what would you have?
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:44:13 -0500
Oh, Penny!!! Beagles aren't dumb at all...they just have a mindset that has
nothing to do with their humans!!!!
Peggy (laughing)
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From: "Penny & Bill" <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>I HAVE had a couple of Irish Setters, whose beauty and antics always
>fascinated me. I grew up with a beagle who was as dumb as. . .well, never
>mind, cause I loved her. We had a CH PBGV--they grow on you and there are
>no cuter puppies in the entire world. And I had and continue to have a
>Lab: Burns the Wonder Dog is sweet, nutty, whimsical, loving. . . and he'd
>probably let a burglar rob the place OR he'd help! But I love him and HE
>loves the shepherds and me.
> Penny
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Msg: #8 in digest
From: Jessica MacMillan
<spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Interesting discussion - prosternum
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:47:22 -0600
Hiya - I love a good posternum, but come from a breed that does not talk
about it at all in their standard. Some years ago I showed a liver dog who had
it and I had more people come up to him and look at it because they had never
seen it on a dal..
Unfortunately, I am not sure how it fits for having reach in front as most of
the breeds that came up in the original question (Dobes, Weims, etc) have tons
(too much) and don't, at this moment have much reach..
Equation goes like this = if you have good shoulders, you TYPICALLY have
posternum because the shoulders are in the right place (in addition to
everything else), but posternum doesn't necessarily equal good shoulders.
JMHO.
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******************************> Denise Bostrom Denise Bostrom
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wrote: On my dogs I like to see a good prominent prosternum. My understanding
is> it provides support for muscles necessary to have good front reach.
(please> correct me if I am wrong here).
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