[ SHOWGSD-L ] showgsd- #3296 Biting dogs
- From: "Anja Heibloem-Stroud" <Anja_Heibloem-Stroud@xxxxxxx>
- To: "showgsdlistnew" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:15:43 -0800
re: message 9 below. In this dog bite case, apparently the dog had already
come from the ASPCA, which refused to take him back. I'd be willing to bet that
this dog already had shown this same type of behavior and no one corrected it
when it happened and that is why he probably ended up in the system in the
first place. This dog is probably salvageable, but would take a strong dominant
person who would be willing to knock the you know what out of him.
Surprisingly a lot of shelter/ASPCA people do not know how to read and
discipline a large breed dog. If it wags it's tail it is friendly therefore OK
for a family home. Our rescue in N. CA tends to err on the other side, not
placing dogs with families with small children.
Unfortunately with the BSL rampant nowadays I would recommend the dog be put
down as well. I have been bitten by many different dogs throughout my life,
usually my fault, ei training problems in a strange dog. My kids have been
bitten, some times I saw it coming, sometimes it was a accident For someone
not raised with dogs, who doesn't realize the reason, well this could turn them
into supporting all breed restrictions in regards to all large dogs. It doesn't
take much of a bite! Anja
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Msg: #9 in digest
From: tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Energency/Biting dogs
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:06:46 +0000
Actually thats not the case. This doesn't sound like a "dangerous dog" in the
legal sense. Sounds like a 'disciplinary' bite case to me. I'm not defending
the dog - he probably should be euthanized. Not becasue he is a vicious killer
but becasuse he has an irresponsible owner who cannot, at least did not, train
the dog and establish a proper pack order.
Adult dogs dicsipline pups by grabbing the muzzle. Puppies know to fold up,
hit the ground, and freeze when grabbed. When kids (fellow pack members and
the dog's version of puppies) get grabbed in the face (muzzle), they tend to
jerk away - leaving long tears in the face, and leading to reconstructive and
plastic surgery. Moms learn bite inhibition so she won't kill her own
offspring. Male dogs RARELY learn that bite inhibition to any extent. These
disciplinary bites are usually done by intact males and teh vitim is teh
owner's own kids. Incidentally, the number one victim of these bites is a five
to eight year old boy.
That type of behavior usually starts in the "jerky teen" years when the male
dog begins to think and act like an adult. In his mind he is now allowed to be
pack leader to the 'subordinates" and discipline the kids for improper doggy
behavior. Noone bothered to teach this dog that he was NOT ALLOWED to
discipline the owners kids. Across the country these disciplinary bites are
the number ONE incident of dog bite for animal controls.
Personally, unless the owner is willing to do MAJOR training with this dog the
best for all parties is to euthanize the dog! Unless this animal ends up with
a very knowledgable owner who can teach him he's at teh bottom of teh pack
pecking order it will happen again. when knocked down tehse dogs tend to
struggle to regain pack dominance and tend to bite with a higher frequency.
Sad thing is it will probably happen again with the owner's next intact male.
Then the breed, which ever breed the dummy owns, becomes "vicious and not good
with children." It is a matter of poor management.
Suzanne
www.tsalishepherds.com
Home of Ch Firedog, Ch Cookie, Ch Flair, BIS/BISS Ch Yancy, and Ch Flash!
Website updated 10/05
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