Just another thought. Many entries at AB shows went down when the style of GSDs split *more* between "specialty GSDs" and "All Breed GSDs." The "Specialty" types weren't winning under AB judges but could and did win under Specialty Ring Specialist Judges. I agree with Ken that talking specialty to specialty, the other breeds entries are coming back. It seems like almost every time I wander through an AB show, there is a huge sponsored ring (Goldens, labs, all the breeds whose entires are rising), so comparing those 'sponsored specialties" to our specialties, we still see too big of a difference in the entries. Maybe it's time to forego the wonderful get together, where everybody enjoys a few hours at a park where everybody knows everybody. We all belong to 3 or 4 clubs and so (like shelter dogs being transferred) we're all counted 3 or 4 times for the club count. And the same people do all the work for 3 or 4 clubs because that is the membership of those 3 or 4 clubs. I wish I knew the answer... But maybe (heresy) it's time to cut back on the amount of regional clubs, and think harder about combining the clubs to have sponsored rings at an AB show. Aren't you glad you didn't vote me to be on the Board <VBG> Stormy On Aug 5, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm wrote: But if a person just shows at GSD Specialty shows, who really sees the dog? It is usually just other breeders, show people with few spectators. So these GSD's are only being exhibited to other owners and breeders of GSD's. At the All-Breed Shows everyone sees your dog, titles and ribbons are not everything. Exposing GSD's so others can see them is the important issue. When you are promoting your breed you get out with all breeds of dogs and compete. Why is the Westminster is popular? Look at the spectators that go there, the breeders and owners that what to expose their GSD's they are so proud of. As the announcer stated the GSD is always a crowd pleaser. Yes, I know it is costly to show at All-Breed Shows are any show for that fact. But promoting what you dedicate your life should be every breeder and owners dream. Think dog showing is expensive, try showing a horse they need a horse trailer and stabling to top the expense. Theresa On Sun, 8/5/12, Pat Evans <patsgsdpups@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Then there's the judging. If it is a judge that has a clue what a GSD looks like, I will consider, if not-no thanks. Jmo! Pat Evans ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================