When we first got involved in shows you saw beautiful shoulders......but the backs and croups and the rears were lacking. I think we are seeing more correct OVERALL movement with better backlines. It should be a total package. A great shoulder with a bad back, or a rear that has to kick up to make up for the incorrrect timing that goes with a good front and lack of rear drive is useless.....and tiring. Some dogs have great suspension but cover no ground!!! Some have lovely shoulders but have terrible toplines. Bottom line....what you feel or measure is not always what you get once the dog begins to move. Ligamentation and balance and musclature and the rear driving the animal forward through a powerful strong back along with good feet and strong pasterns and hocks and the athletic flexability to turn and stop and speed up and slow down are the pay off of a beautiful angulated correct moving dog. I believe our Standard is fine.....but what we often see now is the "impression" of good movement as the handlers hold up a dog as it drives forward giving the "impression" of good rear drive and front and topline. Often it really isn't there...... At a recent show I watched a young dog with no good movement at all.....then after a few short stepping passes around the ring it alerted and kicked into gear and pulled into the leash and all of a sudden it "appeared" to be a good moving dog......then everyone clapped! THIS is where we are losing the great ground covering stride; when we work to give the ILLUSION of movement instead of breeding it, seeing it, and judging it. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx www.marhaven.com From: <Trahanone@xxxxxxx> <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:00 PMSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: shoulders ( snipped ) > How true.......we are loosing movement in our breed and it's hard to > re-capture when it escapes the breed.. > > The key to all of us being successful is staying objective and knowing what > you are looking at. > > This may stir some folks up but this is my opinion...... Handlers are > probably the worst people to ask there opinion on an animal. Remember there > job is > to show and make each animal look there best not BUILD/BREED the best!!! In > addition they typically are tied in to an animal financially which makes > staying objective for them more difficult. Point being learn the breed for > yourself because you will be the best person to represent you when it comes > to > selecting a great animal.> > Scott Trahan> White Oak > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================