[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: shoulder angles...
- From: "Robert Dir" <dir@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <Elsyd1@xxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:40:47 -0600
Mine too. Just know what I like when I see it. Sandi
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: shoulder angles...
>
>
> My eyes are crossing. Syd
>
>
> In a message dated 3/20/2005 10:01:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> Gsdman2@xxxxxxx writes:
> In a message dated 3/20/2005 10:58:10 PM Central Standard Time,
Doctrcorgi
> writes:
> If the shoulder blade is laid back 45 degrees, and then the scapula
rotates
> another 15 degrees foreward, the foot at full extension would indeed be
> above
> the ground, so the front action would not be inbalance......
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> That is assuming that the 45 degree layback and the 15 degrees of
movement
> in
> the scapula is always fully used during forward reach. In a balanced
moving
> dog, any adequate forward reach is all that is needed during forward
> extension. In balanced motion, why would any dog reach higher than
needed,
> except to
> compensate for a forward reach that is lacking? In fact, a higher than
> needed
> lift in front can only happen when there is another fault. In every
case,
> if
> a dog reaches too high in the front, it is either putting its foot down
well
> short of where it should be, or it is paddling ... not following through
in
> the
> rearward motion of the front action. Basically, in order to achieve a
trot
> with balance front to rear, the front feet and the rear feet need to be on
> the
> ground for the same length of time. Even if the dog is able to lift
higher
> in
> the front from the combined angles, there is no situation in which it
would
> need to, and therefore it just shouldn't happen.
> I'll give you this much. That 15 degree rotation of the shoulder can
> compensate for a shoulder layback that is lacking up to 15 degrees
> (according to the
> standard). Perhaps that explains why achieving 45 degrees is not as
common
> as
> it could be? We've recently seen on this list that feeling for layback
is
> not something that most people do since they can see shoulder when the
dog
> is in
> motion.
>
> I suggest that as long as a dog can follow through properly in front,
then
> the 45 degree layback called for in the standard is better than 30
degrees,
> even
> if 30 degrees is enough to do the job. Why? Because if the goal is 30
> degrees, then 25 degrees doesn't sound so bad and that is what we'd end
up
> seeing
> most often. As a matter of fact, that and short upper arms would be a
more
> logical explanation for today's tendency for lifting fronts ... other
than
> the
> fact that people actually cheer for lifting fronts these days.
>
> Perhaps it would be better if you could explain to me why a 45 degree
> layback
> would not be efficient?
>
> Tom Langlitz
>
>
>
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