To quote the GSD standard..."ANY missing teeth OTHER THAN first premolars = is a SERIOUS fault (emphasis was added by me). That should answer your = question unless you really think a judge wants to go on record as saying = they would be willing to place an animal with a serious fault. Although = there may be some that would do such a thing, I really doubt you are going = to get anyone to put it in writing. <VBG> =20 Lanalee Jorgensen Also taken from the standard: Faults of gait, whether from the front, rear or side, are to be considered = VERY SERIOUS faults (emphasis added by me). So, an animal that is not clean coming and/or going should be faulted more = than an animal that has a missing molar. Many of our breeder judges have = been very forgiving in this department over the years, at least in my = experience. Yet it's a heck of a lot easier to see than a missing molar. Laurie Laurie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================