[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: say... What?!? Hip replacements & showing
- From: "Chris S. Kimerer" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "tanbarkgsd@xxxxxxxxx" for DMARC)
- To: The List <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:51:22 -0700
OK, HAVE to respond on this one now. I've been involved in "dog showing" now
for 31 years and can honestly honestly say, I personally DO NOT know of a
single dog that has had fixed hips so he could be in the breed ring. I do know
of one, years ago now, that had a fixed elbow, got shown, but was never bred.
I'm fairly intelligent and don't pretend this might not go on, but have not had
the displeasure of actually knowing anyone in my circles that has done this.
The ear and tail thing I personally don't feel is in the same category as hips
and elbows. I know people have fixed an ear(s), a tail, but that is not a
structural thing, and to me will not effect "the breed". I'm not talking about
AKC rule stuff here, strictly talking from a breeder ethical point of view.
Fixing elbows and hips is a serious structural fault, and obviously should
never be bred. I don't blame a person for doing the surgery to help the dog
have a painless/painfree existence, but then to show or heaven forbid breed
that dog goes against everything a reputable breeder should stand for. Not
sure how a person hears about such dogs, I would imagine a person would keep
that extremely quiet, nonetheless, even with attending an average of 1 show per
month, I have not ever heard ring side discussion about "well you know, that
dog has fixed hips". I'm NOT saying that this info is not true, I'm just
wondering what shows one
attends to hear that. I do mainly stay in the Midwest region, but know quite
a few of the show people and have never been privy to such a "disclosure". And
once again, NO, I'm not trying to stick my head in the sand, I know our breed
has issues, I know there are show people that do anything necessary to win, but
this discussion is about personally knowing dogs that have had this procedure
done and have afterwards been shown and possibly bred.
OK, hope this is not going to be taken confrontationally, not intended as such,
just my experience and perspective as a long time show exhibitor, breeder and
steward of the breed that's on the other side of the fence perhaps.
Respectfully
Chris
Chris S. Kimerer
Hillside-Tanbark Kennels http://www.tanbarkgsd.com/
"where good bloodlines never die"
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> From: Jen proud <proudk911@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: "<Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>" <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>;
>"<Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 2:09 PM
>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: say... What?!? Hip replacements & showing
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>I don't mean to be rude, but I want to yell "pick up your head and clean the
>sand out of your ears!"
>To try to distort the message being about GSDs on a GSDs list who are AKC
>titled dogs into "not being our (breed's) problem" and not being GSDs at all
>is just plain trying to reach for what is not there.
>I should think that perhaps it is from attitudes like these presented is part
>of why our breed still has the OFA flunk rate that it does. But "it's not our
>problem" hasn't done much to fix that has it? The attitude of "it's not our
>problem" is precisely why the ENTIRE SPORT OF DOGS is in the condition it is
>today, and why so many of these little things never get talked about even
>though they do exist and in higher frequency as time goes along... Just
>feeding the AR people who don't want for future generations to have the
>enjoyment of dog showing.
>We will never survive when SHOW BREEDERS are ducking & weaving from the truth
>as it is today. Perhaps it is those types of attitudes that the public
>perceive that has turned so many potential pet owners off of show bred dogs?
>Perhaps it is those attitudes that have resulted in the steep decline of GSD
>show entries, where exhibitors complain about sick low numbers for a major but
>yet can't pull one together at a show? The decline in GSDCA membership?
>Where those "going out" are looking at an empty spot since there aren't people
>"coming in" to the breed to STEWARD it?
>I well know that there are those who will choose to ignore or deny it, yet
>again- each of the dogs I talked about WERE INDEED AKC FULL REGISTERED SHOWING
>AND TITLING GERMAN SHEPHERD DOGS (just so there can't be any ambiguity about
>what a GSD might be). It will fall on deaf ears to some, and all that is okay
>too. My goal is not to win a popularity contest, as I already know being
>forthcoming and popularity just don't mix well and I'm just fine with that.
>I'm also well sure that if anyone has been around dog showing long enough,
>that yes YOU too probably know of a GSD who has had a corrective surgery and
>is in the show ring. "Fixed ears" anyone? I know anyone who's been around a
>minute knew the old "fix" to a gay tail... That is a corrective procedure- and
>ones which are done PURELY FOR SHOWING IN THE CONFORMATION RING AND TO WIN.
>Don't lie to yourself and say things like these last 2 examples aren't just
>for that purpose! There is no other reason either procedure would be done to
>a dog just to be a pet- it's done so the dog looks better and can win. Me?
>I could live with a gay tail better than a kicked-around tail that doesn't
>work. I like a dog who can waggle, but that's just my opinion as a pet owner
>first, exhibitor then breeder.
>I am glad I gave up on disillusionment years ago for if I were a new comer to
>GSDs and hearing "it's not our problem" would have had me walking away like
>most others and running back to performance only with AKC as so many others
>have... And where most people can owner handle there too. There's nothing
>better in the world than doing a job well done as the team of man and dog; I
>am lucky enough to be an adequate handler in all the venues I show in and that
>I enjoy doing things with my dogs. (And maybe that's why I'm supporting our
>PC with futurity entries even though I have an ugly puppy right now. But club
>support is another story and not this topic!)
>Bottom line, as stewards of this breed, it is our responsibility to our
>breed's future to YES talk about what is going on in our breed today and not
>forget about yesterday all while looking to tomorrow. "Tomorrow" can only
>happen with honesty & communication amongst the keepers of this (or any)
>breed, or else there won't be one.
>Jen P & her Pack accepting of being just a freak on (the end of) a leash if
>that's what it is cuz that's what it is
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>JayDee's Proud-Haus Shepherds/Proud K911
>www.jaydeesphs.com
>Committed to the Total Dog you can be Proud of!!!
>AKC Breeder of Merit
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>> On Jun 18, 2014, at 9:48, "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> AHHh. I thought we were talking about German Shepherd Dogs
>> only also...and definitely thought we were talking about
>> SHOW GSD and breeders also.
>>
>> Sorry, my mistake.
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